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>> No. 23598 Fairy
18th January 2016
Monday 6:34 pm
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I don't want to sound weird or anything, but why are white people so rude? I got a job at an IT firm, and have been working there for a couple of weeks now. Today, I saw a second co-worker in the tube, and she looked me right in the eyes and ignored me.

Last week, I saw another one, and after waving at him, he looked at me for a moment and just ignored me. I asked a mate why they do these things, but he told me that people are just like that in this country. It seems very rude and very sad. Back home, if I met a workmate, we would have a chat and maybe even invite each other to our houses. But here, it is so depressing. It is so cold and weird. White people don't have a sense of community and comradery. I don't understand why.
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>> No. 23599 Monkey
18th January 2016
Monday 6:43 pm
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>IT firm

There's your problem lad. You've confused your colleagues for real people, when they are actually mere husks fuelled by sheer existential misery. Such is the nature of the British office environment.

I advise you to get a different job before they drag you in to join them.
>> No. 23600 Fairy
18th January 2016
Monday 6:52 pm
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>>23599 I advise you to get a different job before they drag you in to join them.

And then you'll understand why, to them, you're currently just one face in a long line of transients who make their lives a living hell with your perpetual incompetence / newness. Stick around chap, they'll eventually let you share their despair.
>> No. 23601 Britfag
18th January 2016
Monday 6:57 pm
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They don't like you.
>> No. 23602 Britfag
18th January 2016
Monday 8:08 pm
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They've probably spent too long on pol and think you're just here to diddle their daughters.
>> No. 23603 Britfag
18th January 2016
Monday 8:26 pm
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That just sounds like London. Even other Brits get a bit PTSD about their "first job in The City", because there are so many cunts about.

Try not to think too much about it and try and find a kindred spirit where you work whom you can whether the storm of indifference with, as casting a wide social net is counter-productive if the people are wankers.
>> No. 23604 Gazza
18th January 2016
Monday 8:34 pm
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>White people don't have a sense of community and comradery

They've been shamed out of it. Any semblance of this sort of thing could be mistaken for nationalism and nobody wants to be labeled a bigot. You have to shun any sense of belonging.
>> No. 23605 Aki
18th January 2016
Monday 8:35 pm
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White people? That's a pretty massive generalisation to make. Londoners, Southerners, the English, even Westerners, OK. But white people? That is weird m8. How many white countries have you lived in exactly?
>> No. 23606 Nutfag
18th January 2016
Monday 8:41 pm
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Please don't conflate the mere misery of a bog-standard office job with the sheer mortal terror of working in IT.
>> No. 23607 Britfag
18th January 2016
Monday 8:58 pm
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I'll second what this lad is saying but will add that in general British culture is more insular than most people think and that is especially true in the modern workplace.

It'll take time for people to warm to you and even then they like to keep their work and social life at arms length if at all possible. For the time being give the chance encounters you get a simple nod (nod up if you know them and down if you don't) and save anything beside idle small talk for office nights out.

I've been in the position before of foreign lads not getting it and I can say the response you are getting isn't meant to be mean its just weird for us.

White people are cold when compared to black culture. Put the victim complex away.
>> No. 23608 Fairy
18th January 2016
Monday 8:58 pm
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I don't know about that. I have a theory that it is to do with the sun. Warmer sunnier places have warmer and friendlier people. Compared to the robots who are cold and are only good for amassing wealth and production, I would pick the sunnier places.
>> No. 23609 Raoul
18th January 2016
Monday 9:08 pm
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Again, what is 'black culture'? Are you referring to culture from the entire continent of Africa, the West Indies, parts of South America and the Middle East, and communities living in Europe and North America? That's one single culture, is it?
>> No. 23612 Gazza
18th January 2016
Monday 9:47 pm
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>what is 'black culture'?

>> No. 23613 Britfag
18th January 2016
Monday 9:48 pm
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>Middle East

Arabs are Caucasian m8.
>> No. 23614 Britfag
18th January 2016
Monday 10:14 pm
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Hardly fair. If we boil down white people down to "JeremyKyleMasterCut.mp4" they don't look so good either.
>> No. 23615 Fairy
18th January 2016
Monday 10:37 pm
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Mate, they have this thing in America, where small news stations interview people, and the people try to be as funny as possible to get their five minutes of fame. Also, the station likes it because they get ad-money out of it.

In any event, I don't know whether it is a class thing or not, but non-whites (who are mostly working class anyway) and poor white Brits tend to be more human-like. I don't know how to explain it. In some of the poorer countries (not even that poor but just generally considered lazy and sunny), people, at least to me, seem to be like a normal person. Like a person you had known for a long time. A human being. I enjoy spending time with them, and I would probably go an extra mile to help them in whatever situations they find themselves in. I don't feel the same for people in this country. Especially people I work with. I don't think I would even extend a helping hand if they were falling off a cliff, and I wouldn't even expect them to ask me for help any way.

I'm not good with words lads, but what I'm trying to say is that interactions with people in this country don't seem genuine and sincere.
>> No. 23620 Britfag
19th January 2016
Tuesday 9:52 am
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>What is [...] culture?

In the modern world its more subjective but yes. Black is an identity whether you like it or not and one with a strong degree of uniformity due to shared history and a strong degree of cross border cultural exchange. In terms of white you can call it what you like from being "European/Caucasian" to the old distinctions between civilized and uncivilized peoples but it exists.

This is always more apparent when you get into a foreign setting and notice that almost involuntarily you group with other white nationalities like Germans but if you look in workplaces/schools racial minorities stick together.

What exactly makes you think that Mr Working Class bothering you for a fag is more sincere than the office drone who ignores you in contempt?
>> No. 23621 Raoul
19th January 2016
Tuesday 10:43 am
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Us scallies smile and call him "mate", which he mistakes for affection.

This is a matter of apples and oranges clearly, it's true that the further you get into middle and upper classes the more insular people get; I'm pretty sure that trancends race and national boundaries. The richer you get, the bigger your house, the flashier your car, the more of a snobby cunt you turn into. Stands to reason.

Look at it from the other side- Office plankton just want to go home to drink their bottle of wine for the night and wrap up in the soothing, controlled simulation of socialisation presented to them by shows like Come Dine With Me. They sit on the train wondering "Why the fuck is the foreigner so loud and obnoxious. I need a drink, I wish he would be quiet."

Being cheerful isn't somehow inherently virtuous.
>> No. 23622 Cockernay
19th January 2016
Tuesday 11:29 am
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I'd suggest it isn't really to do with race or class or whatever else but is just a consequence of living and working in a densely populated major city like London.

What the OP takes for rudeness (being ignored on the daily commute) is in fact both a courtesy and a survival mechanism. If you live in a small town or village then yeah, of course you're more likely to have a chat or say good morning or whatever. If however you're working in a city of 8-9 million people then the thing that you begin to value is personal space.

If you're having to do a shit crowded commute everyday to a tedious job that you hate and maybe you've got a partner or family at home or you live with flatmates then that hour or more spent on the tube might be the only bit of "alone" time that you actually get in a day. If you've been doing it for a while then you realise this is probably the same for other people as well, and maybe they're listening to a podcast or reading or just have some music going, but that small window in the day may be the only portion of time where they're not actively having to engage with either work or other people.

At which point it becomes polite to leave people be and not presume that they want to make inane chit chat for an hour when they're just trying to get to work. That "coldness" that many people feel when moving to London for the first time is in my mind actually a form of general courtesy.

And yes there are plenty of rude cunts as well but again I would argue that's just a consequence of having such a huge number of people all living in the the same area.

Hope that makes some sense. Having said all that I can understand that if you've come from another country/culture that is at least outwardly friendlier then it could be difficult to make the adjustment. I'd recommend getting pissed with your workmates if at all possible OP, that's often when people open up a bit. I don't think it's really helpful to class it as a white people thing though, I think it's just a busy modern city thing.
>> No. 23624 Gazza
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:09 pm
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I think I agree with your assessment of it as "general courtesy", but even Londoners can be surprisingly gracious when need arises. I once ended up on the Tube after being stuck on a train from the north, which was delayed for over 45 minutes due to signalling problems on the line, meaning that an ~3 hour journey from destination to destination turned quickly into my not having eaten for close to 5 hours. The difference between 3 hours and 5 hours between meals is quite significant, and when I finally got on the first leg of the Tube journey I was starting to feel very dizzy from hunger. A woman got on across from me clearly having just come from the shops with a multipack of Sainsbury's eclairs and it was too much: I broke the universal silence between strangers on the Tube and asked her if I could buy one of her eclairs off her, explaining my situation. She wouldn't even accept my money from me, though I tried repeatedly to give her a pound for the eclair I practically inhaled in front of her. Her kindness is probably my nicest memory of London, in all truth.
>> No. 23625 Terrorist
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:37 pm
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People don't generally feel dizzy from hunger after a 5 hour fast, do they? I do that all the time without even noticing.
>> No. 23626 Raoul
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:41 pm
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Must be a big lad. Hopefully it taught him the importance of keeping an emergency pie about his person.
>> No. 23628 Raoul
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:44 pm
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Where does one secrete an emergency pie?
>> No. 23629 Raoul
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:46 pm
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The middle classes don't rely on each other as much for support. Having money insulates you from a lot of day-to-day problems. If you can afford babysitters, you don't rely on friends and family to watch your kids. If you can afford a reliable car, you don't need to blag lifts off people.

Those little gestures build strong bonds. You're aware of your place within a community. You go the extra mile for people when you can, because you know what it's like to need help. Middle class people can afford to isolate themselves.
>> No. 23630 Britfag
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:47 pm
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Now I want an eclair, you bugger.
>> No. 23631 Britfag
19th January 2016
Tuesday 12:51 pm
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In the emergency pie pocket in one's jacket, obviously.
>> No. 23632 Boyo
19th January 2016
Tuesday 2:43 pm
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The other lad pointing out that it is in fact a sign of courtesy is on point, it's how people cope. But it is worth taking this a step further and pointing out that people generally take on the manner of the environment they are exposed to. It's not so much that Londoners, Westerners or white people are innately colder than other groups, rather we have crafted a terrible environment for ourselves wherein we have very little personal space.

Adam Smith wrote that the division of labour causes people to become 'as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become', just by virtue of having to repeat the same actions every day to earn a living. Similarly I think the increasing, unpredictable demands on our time, less accessible living space, as well as the monetisation of everything we can stick a value on, will make us as asocial, selfish and defensive as it is possible to be.

You could be forgiven for thinking this is a racial or class thing, but you will notice that people of any background are forced to adopt this manner after living a certain length of time in that environment. Not because they want to, or because it's their character, but rather just to cope. There are exceptions among groups who retain a sense of community, but this is usually in spite of UK culture rather than because of it.

The building block of our society is supposed to be the family, but even these bonds are breaking down due to precarious work patterns (where working class women in particular suffer). I can't speak for everyone here, but anecdotally there's more competition between family than cooperation. I haven't even met all of my cousins, let alone built any meaningful relationships with extended family; immediate family is made to be difficult enough.
>> No. 23638 Fairy
19th January 2016
Tuesday 4:47 pm
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Well put.

Guess I need to find myself a decent prozzie.
>> No. 23649 Fairy
19th January 2016
Tuesday 9:15 pm
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I do apologise for calling it a white people issue. You guys have educated me. It must be a cultural thing.

I went into work today and I met the co-worker who ignored me, and she was friendly and cordial. I can't fault her for her behaviour, although I do find her insincere now.

I told a good friend about what had happened and he laughed at me. "Welcome to London," he said. He advised me to get really drunk with them the next time we go out or something. The thought of needing alcohol to become sincere and friendly is weird to me. In any event, I guess I leant my lesson. In Britain, work people are work people, and they should not cross over into your non-work-related life. I guess I understand why people in this country would need posters telling them about how bad loneliness is.
>> No. 23652 Wastelander
20th January 2016
Wednesday 12:18 am
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>The thought of needing alcohol to become sincere and friendly is weird to me.

Why else would we waste so much time and money down the boozer for?

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