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>> No. 21041 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 5:58 pm
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Lads are you worried about the coronavirus?

I've purposely not read up about it. Mainly because the SARS, Swine Flu, Bird Flu and Ebola threat was over-hyped by the media. Prediction wise, I think after several months it will be contained and everyone will eventually forget about it.

What do you think?
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>> No. 21042 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 6:04 pm
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>>21041
Dividing the death count in China by the confirmed cases count gives a mortality rate of 3%. Big deal.
>> No. 21043 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 6:18 pm
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>> No. 21044 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 6:44 pm
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No, I'm not worried. Public health agencies are employing the precautionary principle because we don't properly understand the virus yet. It's overwhelmingly likely that coronavirus will be a damp squib, but acting on that assumption is a dangerous gamble. You put your seatbelt on even though you're not expecting to crash.
>> No. 21045 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 7:29 pm
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>>21042
The death count we have no idea about because China is intentionally covering up and fudging the numbers. We have no idea of the scale of it in reality because of this and it's what the WHO has been struggling with on whether or not to declare an emergency. 3 cities have been quarantined, that's over 20 million already, people are collapsing in the street and hospitals are already struggling. China pretending nothing is happening is the real danger here, all news coming from locals are saying it's much worse than is being said.
>> No. 21048 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 8:36 pm
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If you look at what China is actually doing, vs what they are saying, the situation looks slightly worse than they are letting on.
They say 830 cases, 26 dead. In action, they've quarantined 13 cities/36 million people, and they're knocking up hospitals in 5 days to deal with the sick. Not like they've got a history of covering stuff up.
>> No. 21052 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 9:03 pm
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>>21048

26 deaths out of 1.4 billion people is still fuck all though, even if that number is massively understated. As mentioned in >>21044, the fact that they're acting decisively doesn't mean that they think that coronavirus is particularly dangerous, just that they're responding cautiously to the scientific uncertainty.
>> No. 21056 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 9:41 pm
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Heads up, two cases have been confirmed in France. Best hope it's just the sniffles.
>> No. 21057 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 9:45 pm
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>>21056
I, for one, don't even own a single day of food. It will be fine.
>> No. 21061 Anonymous
24th January 2020
Friday 11:26 pm
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AliExpress is showing some pretty big discounts at the moment. Sorry, lads.

>>21045
I'm sick of this. The WHO has confirmed that China has been entirely open and transparent about the epidemic which is partly why Coronavirus hasn't been declared an international public health emergency unlike Ebola.

Next you'll share that conspiracy theory that has immediately sprung up that a germ warfare lab in Wuhan caused the outbreak and that the same cities on lock-down have labs.

>>21052
>The new virus, according to World Health Organization (WHO) scientists, has a reproductive rate of as high as 2.5, meaning each infected individual on average infects as many as 2.5 more people. That might not seem so bad when an epidemic of four people expands after a few days to 14 more cases, but when 500 cases swells to 1,750, things get serious. On Jan. 3, China officially reported 44 cases of Wuhan pneumonia; two weeks later the toll jumped to 198 cases; on the morning of Jan. 21 the government said 444 patients in Wuhan’s surrounding province of Hubei were confirmed as infected by the virus. By Jan. 23, the situation was unfolding so rapidly that WHO said at midday in the eastern United States that a total of 575 cases were confirmed in mainland China, then the Chinese government issued a new total of 644 an hour later, and by the next day the tally hit 830 cases with 26 deaths.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/24/wuhan-virus-china-belt-and-road-pandemic/

The article goes on to point out that; Wuhan is the transit hub of China with the high-speed rail in walking distance of the animal market the virus spread from and that China failed to stop 300,000 people fleeing the city. Of course, you can only get it from contact so only touchy people with weakened immune systems will die in Europe but if it hits Africa then SHTF.
>> No. 21063 Anonymous
25th January 2020
Saturday 12:22 am
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Microlad here. This one's nothing to worry about. It'll end up overrated and dissapointing just like its cousins MERS and SARS.

I had my hopes up for ebola for a while but I don't think we're going to have a decent epidemic any time soon. People are just too bastard hygienic nowadays.

Had a midwife phone up panicking about zika the other day. Remember that one?
>> No. 21064 Anonymous
25th January 2020
Saturday 12:33 am
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>>21061
>The WHO has confirmed

They've said "for now" and that it "may become one". They don't have enough data as of yet because of shit like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/health/virus-corona.html

>It is censoring criticism. It is detaining people for spreading what it calls “rumors.” It is suppressing information it deems alarming.

How open and transparent of them.
>> No. 21066 Anonymous
25th January 2020
Saturday 12:39 am
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>>21061

I'm not big on conspiracies, even 9/11 seems like a pretty clear cut case of incompetence to me. As does this virus, only the 7th of its type in recorded medical history right on the doorstep of a lab that was working on ahem, the coronavirus? Come on lad. Some Chinky cunt forgot to wash his hands on the way to the rice bar, that much is obvious. Or are we supposed to believe it's bats again?

If this wild conspiracy theory that a microbiology lab housing a rare virus that happened to appear in the same city as said microbiology lab is so obviously false why don't you go ahead and debunk it for the class? Using snarky smug cunt language as in the quoted post will result in a maximum score of 3/10.
>> No. 21072 Anonymous
25th January 2020
Saturday 5:19 am
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>>21061
>Next you'll share that conspiracy theory that has immediately sprung up that a germ warfare lab in Wuhan caused the outbreak and that the same cities on lock-down have labs.

I thought it was because of Chinks eating koalas or snakes or something like that?
>> No. 21078 Anonymous
25th January 2020
Saturday 4:15 pm
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>>21066
>Some Chinky cunt forgot to wash his hands on the way to the rice bar
The biggest shock for me was hearing it's not normal to wash your hands in China, even among medical staff.
>> No. 21084 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 5:44 am
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>>21063
> Had a midwife phone up panicking about zika the other day. Remember that one?

Zika and Chikungunya are both very much still active in Brazil, as is Dengue and now Yellow Fever. Global spread seems to be low as most tourists (not that Brazil deserves any) probably aren't going anywhere where they're going to get bitten by the right kind of mosquito.

Sage for rambling over a pest-spread virus when this virus is spread person to person.

Missus asked if I wanted Chinese tonight, told her to get fucked and order a curry. Fucks sake.
>> No. 21085 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 8:05 am
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I work in airports and see and even go quite near people returning from China every day. I suppose I'll act as the .gs canary, I'll let you know when the hazsuits come for me.
>> No. 21086 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 8:13 am
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There are stories coming out about the swarms of people trying to get spaces in hospitals and people collapsing on the streets, but I would comfortably bet that only a tiny fraction of these people actually have the corona virus, the majority probably have a simple flu and are succumbing to hysteria.
>> No. 21087 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 8:51 am
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>>21086

I, for one, collapse in the streets all the time when there's an epidemic on. You should have seen me during Live Aid, I was crawling through the streets pretending to be starving, nobody bought my story that my massive gut was the result of kwashiorkor.
>> No. 21089 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 10:34 am
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>>21088
>whether or not certain places on the planet tend to have people with healthier immune systems?
Careful lad, next you'll be inquiring as to whether some groups of people are naturally more predisposed to commit violent crime, rather than being influenced purely by economic factors.
>> No. 21090 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 11:53 am
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Was it the bat soup or something else?
>> No. 21091 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 12:06 pm
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>>21090

>I find this act distasteful therefore it must have caused the plague

Has anyone suggested why it might be bats or are we just doing the modern day equivalent of blaming the gays for earthquakes?
>> No. 21093 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 12:24 pm
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>>21091
Coronaviruses jump from animals to people. It's almost certainly something they've eaten, so flying rats is one of the main suspects at the moment.
>> No. 21094 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 12:56 pm
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>>21091
Yes. Do you remembers MERS? As >>21093 said, it jumps from animals to people. SARS also came from bats. Bats (as well as birds) are a reservoir species for viruses of this ilk. I don't think it's confirmed yet, but it's incredibly likely and with good reason.
>> No. 21095 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 1:16 pm
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>>21089

Having a resistance to diseases is the most obvious evolutionary trait there is. Not dying when everyone else around you is tends to mean your genes pass on and theirs don't. It is the only instance I can think where a gene would become entirely dominant in a species within a generation. It does of course require diseases to take their natural course and kill millions of people so it isn't really a relevant mechanism in 21st century society.
>> No. 21096 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 1:34 pm
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>>21091

>>I find this act distasteful

As far as something can be objectively distaseful I believe this might literally be it, it's covered in fur and skin and looks like it was boiled. I'm not really sure it was meant to be eaten, and if it was well god help anyone with a palate like that. Probably just included for mystical medicinal powers or some bullshit.
>> No. 21097 Anonymous
26th January 2020
Sunday 10:15 pm
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>>21093
> It's almost certainly something they've eaten
Or bummed.
>> No. 21099 Anonymous
27th January 2020
Monday 6:48 am
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>>21097
Or been bummed by.
>> No. 21100 Anonymous
27th January 2020
Monday 12:21 pm
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>>21043
I just looked these up, and they were outbreaks of the plague and cholera - which are obviously not virus-borne.

Dunno why I'm the first to mention it, maybe I'm too much of a pedant, or maybe everyone else was ignoring 'bait', I dunno.
>> No. 21101 Anonymous
27th January 2020
Monday 7:03 pm
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I crossed the street when I saw a Chinese lad walking towards me today.

Is it a bit over the top?
>> No. 21102 Anonymous
27th January 2020
Monday 7:10 pm
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>>21101
You can't be too careful.
>> No. 21103 Anonymous
27th January 2020
Monday 7:40 pm
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>>21101

>Is it a bit over the top?

Slightly perhaps.

It might be a good idea though to avoid international flights at the moment, of course especially to and from Asia. If movies like Twelve Monkeys or World War Z have taught us anything, then long-haul flights are a significant carrier mechanism for these kinds of pandemics.
>> No. 21105 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 12:18 am
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The WHO has just said the global risk is now high. Pack your rice lads. Also here's a fun interactive tracker:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
>> No. 21106 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 12:27 am
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>>21105


>The WHO

Let's hope we won't get fooled again.
>> No. 21107 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 1:20 am
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>>21105
I’m generally sanguine about these things, but this illness being such an unknown and emerging in a place as vast and busy as China is giving me a distinct sense of unease. Even if it only has a mortality percentage in the the single digits it be really rather awful.
>> No. 21108 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 12:49 pm
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>>21107
I agree, if China had been more honest with everybody as to what's been going on it probably wouldn't seem as bad as it does, but even now nobody has all the data they need on this. The death toll is now at 106 too, but it's seeming like it could just be the usual high risk age ranges, young children and the elderly.
>> No. 21110 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 6:43 pm
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/coronavirus-birmingham-qe-flu-harborne-17641214

This lad came back from Wuhan on Dec 31st and has been knocking around Birmingham since, before being picked up yesterday. He came down with a 'Flu-like' illness before getting better and THEN going to the doctors, who hopefully stuck him with a painfull needle.

Probably isn't anything corona-ry about it, but better pack your rice just in case. Moan for potential fear-mongering.
>> No. 21111 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 6:55 pm
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>>21110

This is it then. Last post of the internet lads.

I feel a great sadness. If there's an apoco on I'll make sure to use the phrase I, for one, ... if I ever have to mug anyone for food. Here's hoping we never meet lads.
>> No. 21112 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 7:08 pm
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>>21110
ITZ COMING
>> No. 21113 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 7:43 pm
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>>21110
Potential fear mongering? The tale you share has happened near enough 100 times in the UK by now and all the tests came back negative.
>> No. 21115 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 7:58 pm
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>>21113
So you're saying an outbreak is well overdue?
>> No. 21116 Anonymous
28th January 2020
Tuesday 9:15 pm
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>>21111

>I feel a great sadness. If there's an apoco on

There are worse things that could happen in terms of an apocalypse.

Kind of a shit apocalypse as it goes, really. I always had my bets on us nuking each other. The whole world dying of a virus seems kind of pedestrian.
>> No. 21117 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 1:25 am
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Even going by downplayed Chinese statistics, it's still happening
>> No. 21118 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:17 am
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>A German man who contracted coronavirus from a Chinese work colleague is thought to be the first person in Europe to catch the disease via human transmission, health officials have said.

>The 33-year-old infected man has not been to China or Wuhan - the city where the strain first emerged in December - but had been in contact with a Chinese colleague at a work training session who later became unwell and tested positive for the virus. Speaking at a press conference, Bavarian State head of health and food safety, Andreas Zapf, said the co-worker was a woman from Shanghai who “started to feel sick” on a fight home on January 23. Her parents from the Wuhan region ​had visited her a few days before her trip.

>The German man had attended a training session given by his Chinese colleague on January 21 at the office of a car parts supplier Webasto in Stockdorf in Bavaria. He tested positive for the virus, which has an incubation period of one to 14 days, on Monday evening. Webasto confirmed that both the visiting colleague and the infected German man were employees of the company.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-europe-germany-china-a4346766.html

ITZ
>> No. 21119 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 11:44 am
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>>21116

Virus apocalypse might not be too bad for the survivors. True there is the risk of the infection for a long time afterwards, and the logistics of burning the corpses. But the infrastructure remains nearly wholly intact. Resources might actually be bountiful.
>> No. 21120 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 2:01 pm
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>>21119

The Great Plague in mediaeval Europe led to a prolonged period of prosperity among the survivors. Because it wiped out nearly 50 percent of the population indiscriminately, the survivors inherited sometimes massive wealth in land, livestock, and other assets from their dead family members. It is thought that cultural movements like the Renaissance also greatly benefited from the fact that there was much more personal wealth available to aristocrats and the upper classes to commission the kind of elaborate works of art that the 16th Century is famous for still today.

It's even speculated that the reduced use of land for farming, because fewer people needed food to eat, and the subsequent regrowth of forests on it contributed to the Little Ice Age.
>> No. 21121 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 3:32 pm
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>>21120

Are you advocating for eco-fascism again, you racist Malthusian bigot?
>> No. 21122 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 3:47 pm
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>>21121

Have another teary mate.
>> No. 21123 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 4:40 pm
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>>21121

No, just stating historic fact.
>> No. 21156 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 7:49 pm
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Coronavirus declared global health emergency

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51318246
>> No. 21157 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 8:07 pm
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>>21156

Couldn't give a fuck about that tbh, but I'm furious that China Post is shut until the 10th.
>> No. 21158 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 9:10 pm
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>>21156
How can eight cases of human-to-human transmission make a global emergency? Does the lad own pharma stock or something?
>> No. 21163 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 10:06 am
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51325192

I'll see you fellas on the other side.
>> No. 21165 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 11:12 am
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>>21158

The alarming thing is that it's legitimately airborne. Not just shitty old droplet aerosolisation airborne, but legit contagious survives on its own airborne.

So no it isn't massive and it isn't actually all that deadly, the trouble is it could spread like wildfire if we don't act immediately to shut it down.
>> No. 21166 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 12:21 pm
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I'm slightly worried for my elderly parents, who are increasingly frail as it is. I've suggested they avoid public spaces with large crowds of people for the time being.
>> No. 21172 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 6:04 pm
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>>21166
It's a bit early for that really. And besides, elderly people tend to be more likely to catch a virus from family members rather than the general public.
>> No. 21179 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 8:11 pm
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>>21163
Chinese tourists in York. No mention of whether they've been anywhere else in the country.
>> No. 21188 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 10:19 am
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>>21179

My social media has been circulating pictures of a Chinese woman in Pontefract wearing a mask.

We're fucked.
>> No. 21189 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 10:37 am
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>>21165
Didn't this comic originally say 'someone in Brazil is coughing' or something? Which is far more relevant for a real pandemic.
>> No. 21190 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 10:39 am
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>>21188
Asian people wear masks when they have a cold, or they think someone else has a cold, or it's a bit cold out.

It's hardly panicworthy.
>> No. 21202 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 2:35 pm
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>>21190
This should be standard practice for everybody, honestly. I was at a bus stop recently and the woman behind me was obviously in a rush and too eager about the bus arriving, but she kept having a coughing fit without covering her fucking mouth once. On top of that, every time I took a step forward to get some distance, she'd step closer again and cough right next to me. The self awareness of some pricks, I swear.
>> No. 21205 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 2:44 pm
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>>21202
You should have just told her.
>> No. 21209 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 3:37 pm
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>>21189

Yeah I just saved the wrong one because the JPG was too shit for me to realise. I knew you lot would get the gist though.
>> No. 21229 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 8:09 pm
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>>21202

> On top of that, every time I took a step forward to get some distance, she'd step closer again and cough right next to me. The self awareness of some pricks, I swear.

I had someone in a queue behind me the other day who was devouring a Mars bar, there was no other way to put it, and she made sure that everybody was hearing her eating noises. She also wasn't minding her personal space, or mine really, and started literally breathing down my neck with her chocolate and rotten teeth breath.
>> No. 21248 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 11:18 pm
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>>21229

Did you take a casual step backwards, like a little shuffle of your current position? If it's on the tube I'll make every effort to minimise my space, but in shops or queues then there's no reason for someone to push up on you and if they do, try and remember 'this person's a twat' and don't give ground, take it back.

If you get any blowback or they ask you to move, have your reasoning prepared. if you've got big balls, speak loud enough for other people to hear. You know you're in the right, and others will know that too. It's worth the moment of awkwardness to let someone know their social imposition is fucking annoying.
>> No. 21249 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 9:54 am
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>>21229
>started literally breathing down my neck
I get this a lot with Indians, their idea of personal space seems to be about ½ an inch
>> No. 21250 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 10:05 am
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I've noticed Chinese people smell like sneeze a lot. Is this because of the masks trapping sneezes on them?
>> No. 21260 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 5:46 pm
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>>21250
Anon, I'm afraid you have Goo Brain, I'm writing you a prescription for one Brain Hardener.
>> No. 21261 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 5:56 pm
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>>21260
Mate, they do. There were enough Chinese students on my course when I was at university to know they have a lingering aroma of sneeze about them.
>> No. 21262 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 6:07 pm
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>>21260

Is that the Huel one?
>> No. 21273 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 8:27 pm
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Really hope I can get a new SSD before this hits NAND prices.
>> No. 21274 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 9:57 pm
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>>21273
I just bought my first PC in 5 years. 1/2TByte of RAM and 4TBytes of SSD. I think I've done my bit for global semiconductor sales this year.
Although I do have 4 more 2.5" SAS caddies to fill, so there's still hope.
>> No. 21276 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 10:07 pm
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>>21274
What are you planning to do with all that RAM?
>> No. 21278 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 11:34 pm
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>>21276
I'm going to guess audio. Either that or run a really big SQL database, but it doesn't seem like it has enough storage.
>> No. 21279 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 12:39 am
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>>21278
I can't even find a 64GB DDR4 module, which would surely be required, unless the motherboard has 16 sticks of 32GB... maybe a server board?
>> No. 21280 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 1:12 am
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>>21279

HP Z model workstations go up to 512GB but they cost a pretty penny. They pack Xeon processors though, so I'm going to agree with you and say they probably have motherboards you'd usually expect to find in a server.
>> No. 21281 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 1:16 am
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>>21279

64GB RDIMMs are readily available; you can even get 128GB LRDIMMs if you really need them, but they're stupidly expensive. Most workstation motherboards have 8 RAM slots, but you'd spend the thick end of £4,000 to fill them with 64GB modules.

>>21278

Even if you're working on vast projects, I can't think of any audio or video use-cases where you'd really need anywhere near that much RAM. Fast PCIe SSDs have changed the equation substantially, because the latency penalty for running out of RAM is orders of magnitude lower than on spinning rust or even SATA SSDs.

I can only imagine that OP is running tons of VMs for development work or doing some sort of scientific computing.
>> No. 21282 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 1:18 am
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>>21274
Jesus, I ordered a second 8gb stick this evening and felt chuffed about it.
>> No. 21283 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 6:36 am
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>>21281 tons of VMs for development work or doing some sort of scientific computing

Both. Current box only has 128G of RAM, so this is a comfortable step up.
Yes, it's a rackmount server, I haven't had a tower PC for ages. It's not new, it's a Dell R910, so 4U and can take up to 2T of RAM. Entire thing cost me £1300, and I suspect it'll cost me more than that in electricity, so it'll be powered up only when I want it. 4 1100W PSUs and an idling power of 600W, by the look of it, I haven't measured yet.
Still, new PC always me feel like a younglad cobbling together 486 machines with not scrounged bits in razorsharp cases...
>> No. 21286 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 11:44 am
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Dumb nerd stuff aside, I’ve got a bad feeling about this, and not just because of the pangolin revelation.
>> No. 21288 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 4:17 pm
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>>21286

It's accepted scientific theory that the HIV virus first crossed the species border between chimpanzees and humans in tropical sub-Saharan Africa, where some people actually traditionally hunted and ate chimps. The transfer mechanism may have been the handling and preparation of raw chimpanzee meat, according to this theory.

>The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten, or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on people in the course of hunting. Normally, the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions the virus adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1.

https://www.avert.org/professionals/history-hiv-aids/origin?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImICPkOm_5wIVQbDtCh1NxwKpEAAYASAAEgI2MvD_BwE

On the other hand, my social studies teacher in school, who was a proper conspiracy nut and realistically never should have been allowed to teach us about the world, maintained that the HIV virus may have been engineered in a CIA lab and deliberately spread among gays, drug addicts and hippies in the U.S. to combat the weakening of America's moral fibre in the Cold War by these groups.
>> No. 21289 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 4:31 pm
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Getting a bit annoyed that a certain crowd is branding fears of this thing racist. It's somewhat deadlier than the flu because we have literally no immune defence against it (there's a reason it's called a novel corona virus), and about on par with SARS and MERS. There are now reports that despite unusual transparency, the Chinese authorities are still downplaying the spread of the virus.
>> No. 21290 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 6:21 pm
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>>21289
You just have to accept you can't please the mods. They think everything's racist.
>> No. 21291 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 7:00 pm
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>>21290
You may well be right - more likely though is that actual racists can’t help but show their true colours, particularly when on topics such as Brexit or coronavirus.
>> No. 21292 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 7:27 pm
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>>21286
Could be a good thing - people don't kill pangolins out of spite, they smuggle them out for 'medicine' and for food. Maybe demand will drop from them being a potential disease vector.
>> No. 21293 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 7:42 pm
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>>21289
I read an article that said reports that the disease originated in bats and snakes in the wildlife market were racist, as it implied the Chinese were somehow savage for engaging in the sale and consumption of animals not considered as food in the west.
>> No. 21294 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 7:43 pm
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>>21290
Nobody has been banned for 11 days, keep your skirt on.
>> No. 21295 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 7:46 pm
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>>21294

What about post deletions, since we're doing this here.
>> No. 21296 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 8:02 pm
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>>21295
In this thread? There haven't been any. What would be the point in deleting a post without banning the poster if we were trying to cover something up? Guaranteed they'd be a massive whiner like you and not shut up about it.
>> No. 21297 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 8:52 pm
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>>21293
You say that like you don't agree with the article.

For one thing, China is a huge country and Asia a huge continent, saying 'they' eat bats and snakes is like saying the British eat frogs and snails and horses and so on. Also people still eat wild animals here e.g. rabbits. And even in our farmed food conditions are shit even with our supposed high standards, animals have to be constantly pumped with antibiotics to stop disease spreading. Remember foot and mouth? Remember mad cows? We can hardly take the fucking high ground.
>> No. 21298 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 9:05 pm
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>>21297
I don't disagree with you. I think the sensationalist reporting on bat soup, which isn't actually popular in China, was very unhelpful and rooted in orientalism. But when the health officials are saying the virus likely originated in bats, an article completely dismissing the experts as racist isn't great.
>> No. 21299 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 9:09 pm
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>> No. 21300 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 9:37 pm
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>>21293
That's ridiculous. Bats are the likely source, since it's been identified as a bat coronavirus + HIV. We know that both bats and snakes were being sold in the meat market in Wuhan. As a certain stopped clock likes to say, facts don't care about anyone's feelings.

As >>21297 points out, even in China cuisines are many and varied. In many parts of China they eat things we would consider unpalatable, and vice versa. Many Han Chinese would not consider dairy products because they're genetically predisposed to lactose intolerance.

Ultimately, the actual eating of the things doesn't matter, because coronavirus doesn't typically spread through carrion. Patient zero will have been someone who handled infected animals and contracted a strain that could transition to humans. We've known for centuries that environments where humans and animals are in close proximity are ideal opportunities for diseases to cross between species. What happened here was really no different than when H5N1/04 jumped from birds in Thailand, or H1N1/09 jumped from pigs in Mexico, or when cowpox crossed from cows in Europe hundreds of years ago.
>> No. 21301 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 9:58 pm
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>>21300

They're saying it was pangolins now.
>> No. 21302 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 10:41 pm
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>>21301

They do love soup.
>> No. 21303 Anonymous
8th February 2020
Saturday 1:39 am
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>>21293

"Anti-racist" is just projecting their own racist prejudices on an imagined villain. Shock horror.

There are 1.4 billion people in China. If you're truly one-in-a-million, there are 1400 of you in China. Even if an infinitesimally small proportion of Chinese people eat bats, that's still a shitload of bat eating. In a country with a population greater than North America and Europe combined, inexplicably weird shit happens constantly.

Food hygiene standards in China are fucking appalling and anyone who says otherwise is a racist - the Chinese are seriously pissed off about how manky their food is and are trying to fix it, they don't need some 老外 telling them that 地沟油 is just a "cultural difference" or minimising the hundreds of babies killed by 三聚氰胺 just to score politically correct points.

Outbreaks of novel diseases are disproportionately likely to happen in China due to a mix of socioeconomic, geographic and cultural factors, but China is uniquely well-equipped to deal with disasters of this kind. No other country could possibly hope to build a 1,000-bed hospital in less than a fortnight. No other country could successfully impose a quarantine curfew on 30-odd million people. China is weird, China is brilliant, China is a dream and a nightmare, China is utterly exceptional in every possible way.
>> No. 21304 Anonymous
8th February 2020
Saturday 8:29 am
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>>21303
>Food hygiene standards in China are fucking appalling and anyone who says otherwise is a racist

I'm reminded of the baby milk scandal, where it turned out 22 companies were shoving the stuff they make white board erasers out of into the formula to trick the testing and filling it with any old crap. A blind eye was turned until babies were dying and the people lost all trust and started importing formula from abroad.
>> No. 21305 Anonymous
10th February 2020
Monday 2:04 pm
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51447761

ITZ HAPPENIN'
>> No. 21306 Anonymous
10th February 2020
Monday 2:25 pm
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>>21305
>The group were staying at this chalet in the French Alpine ski resort of Les Contamines-Montjoie
I thought this was a translation error but it turns out that's genuinely the name of the place. Yes, "contamine" means what it sounds like.
>> No. 21307 Anonymous
10th February 2020
Monday 4:34 pm
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>>21306
The name of the village originates from ancient local dialect. The word “Contamines” once meant ploughable land on the squires estate.

Wasn't going to be my first guess.
>> No. 21308 Anonymous
10th February 2020
Monday 6:23 pm
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>>21307
Etymology aside, in modern French your first guess was right.
>> No. 21309 Anonymous
11th February 2020
Tuesday 4:43 pm
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It's called Covid-19 now. Good name. I reckon it'll kill about two million people, anyone taking bets?
>> No. 21310 Anonymous
11th February 2020
Tuesday 5:11 pm
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>>21309

Is that just direct deaths or are you including secondary complications, stupidity related deaths, deaths due to stretched public services, mercy killings and potential economic fallout in that?
>> No. 21311 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 12:37 am
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>>21309
They made it a shit name on purpose.
>> No. 21313 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 3:20 pm
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>>21309
It's called SARS-CoV-2 now.
>> No. 21314 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 5:59 pm
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>>21313
One is the name of the disease and the other the virus.
>> No. 21315 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 6:58 pm
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>>21314
Like HIV and AIDS.
>> No. 21326 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 1:25 pm
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There's a woman at work who is a compulsive liar. She's spent all day so far making a big deal that someone her husband works with has coronavirus, but none of us can find a single news report to say there's been a case in our area.
>> No. 21327 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 5:05 pm
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>>21326

I, for one, would welcome it if not every single case gets reported by two-bit news media desperate for clickbait.

Because realistically, what are you going to do if somebody in your area is diagnosed. You probably can't afford to stop going to work on your commuter train every day, you will have to go to supermarkets and other public places with loads of people, and what-have-you. Sure, you can put on a face mask, but are you really prepared to make yourself look daft like that.

As with 90 percent of other viruses that you've contracted in your life, you would probably also survive a full-on coronavirus infection. You'll feel like utter shit for a few days, and then get to tell people you've survived CoV-19.
>> No. 21328 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 5:21 pm
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I just want an excuse to wear my mask while doing stuff outside. I think it only works for dust but it looks cool.
>> No. 21329 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 5:30 pm
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>>21327
Of the viruses I have contracted thus far, I suspect I have survived more than 90%.
>> No. 21330 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 6:42 pm
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>>21329

A quite daring assumption.
>> No. 21331 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 7:39 pm
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>>21327

I don't think you understand the severity this virus potentially has, so far it has been about one death for every seven recoveries.

That is with high levels of medical care for people in critical condition, this illness has the capacity to infect everyone with little to no resistance based on its origin (humans aren't resistant to illnesses that have developed entirely in other animals), at which point there won't be enough medical aid to deal with all the critical cases and the death count will go up significantly. Assuming no one develops a vaccine, and it isn't contained, expect a billion dead.
>> No. 21332 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 9:18 pm
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>>21331
It’s widely agreed many cases aren’t actually being treated in a hospital environment so you’re being a touch hysterical. I’m not saying it’s not serious but a billion is a bit much.
>> No. 21333 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 9:19 pm
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>>21332

Yet simultaneously nowhere near enough.
>> No. 21334 Anonymous
14th February 2020
Friday 10:54 pm
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>>21332
Can't you be a team player and buy into the fearmongering just once. BILLIONS WILL DIE and those that survive WILL BE KILLED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.
>> No. 21336 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 12:16 am
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>>21334

>BILLIONS WILL DIE and those that survive WILL BE KILLED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.

Yawn.
>> No. 21337 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 1:18 am
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>>21334
I've never been much of a team player, sorry.

In all seriousness thought I am a bit surprised at how relatively laid back everyone is about this outbreak. Then again it has only been a month and a bit since it hit the headlines so maybe I'm the paranoid one; actually I know I am. However, pertaining specifically to Covid 19, I can't be so sure.
>> No. 21338 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 2:38 am
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>>21332

World population of nowish 7,700,000,000

Wuhan coronavirus confirmed deaths and recoveries as of now

deaths 1,526 recoveries 8,185

therefore assumed CFR based on death as opposed to recovery is a Ratio of 15.71%


15.71% of 7,700,000,000 = 1,209,670,000‬


That is assuming that is assuming it isn't contained and no vaccine is found.
>> No. 21339 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 2:39 am
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>>21338
Why are you replying to my post in a manner that strongly suggests you've failed to even read it?
>> No. 21340 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 2:40 am
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>>21334
>and those that survive WILL BE KILLED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.

No they wouldn't, a dramatic sudden decrease in humans would be very good for the enviroment and for first time house buyers.
>> No. 21342 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 2:43 am
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>>21339

Because you don't seem to have any comprehention of how actively this event is being monitored. No matter what your weasle words "It’s widely agreed many cases" say.
>> No. 21343 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 2:47 am
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>>21339

His manner of posting actually suggests he did read your post as he is keeping the current recovery rate rather than adjusting for the failure of medical care as it becomes overwhelmed, which will increase the death rate. Your suggestion that medicine isn't being used to treat the virus at present, if true, means that the current death rate will remain the same even when medical provision fails due to weight of numbers.

Your suggestion that a billion deaths is hysterical is correct, the virus is unlikely to have an infection rate of 100% but you didn't make that clear in your post so the poster you are replying to is not in fact replying to your post in a manner which indicates he has failed to even read your post. If anything you have failed to even read the poster's post.
>> No. 21344 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 4:01 am
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>>21338

That's a gross misreading of the data. The CFR for confirmed symptomatic cases in Hubei is ~18%, but that's a highly unrepresentative sample because only the worst cases are actually being confirmed. It excludes people with symptoms too mild to require hospital care and asymptomatic carriers.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-2019-nCoV-severity-10-02-2020.pdf
>> No. 21345 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 11:13 am
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>>21331

Microbiology lad here.

This virus, like all coronaviruses, is an overblown load of bollocks and we will easily defeat it if you just start washing your fucking hands a bit more. Face masks are a waste of time for reasons I can't be arsed to explain. I work at a big hospital and out of about seven to ten suspected cases a day this week, none have tested positive yet. The people dying from it have all had comorbidity such as being an elderly cunt, just like with seasonal flu.

Expect it to be out of the news by April. Come to think of it, can anyone tell me if Australia is still on fire?
>> No. 21346 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 11:19 am
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>>21340
In the long run yes, in the short it wouldn't make much difference.
>> No. 21347 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 11:38 am
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>>21345

>Come to think of it, can anyone tell me if Australia is still on fire?

Good news: most (but not all) of the fires have been extinguished by heavy rain.

Bad news: that rainfall was heavy enough to cause life-threatening flash floods.

Worse news: THERE'S A FUCKIN' CROCODILE SWIMMIN' AROUND IN ME BACK YAARD, MATE.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-47112044
>> No. 21348 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 12:00 pm
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>>21347
All the debris from the fires getting washed into lakes and oceans is killing off a lot of wildlife too.
>> No. 21349 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 12:16 pm
21349 I'm right you're wrong, I'm ace you're not!
>>21342>>21343
Aha! Idiots. Thanks >>21344
>> No. 21350 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 3:08 pm
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>>21348

>All the debris from the fires getting washed into lakes and oceans

Do you think this never happened before there were humans? Nature can deal with natural waste like that, such as ash and charred tree trunks ending up in the ocean. Life adapts on its own after natural disasters.

It's only when you dump billions of tonnes of chemical waste and plastic into the oceans that nature has a hard time dealing with it.



>>21345

Thank you for being a voice of reason.
>> No. 21351 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 5:51 pm
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>>21350
>Do you think this never happened before there were humans?

It hasn't on this scale, no. Why do you think this is business as usual?
>> No. 21352 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 6:37 pm
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>>21351

>It hasn't on this scale, no

That's kind of a daring claim, with hundreds of millions of years of biogeological history pointing to this being just a blip on the screen. The Earth has been through several extinction level events that covered the whole planet knee deep in ashes and saw 96 percent of all species wiped out. I'm not saying at all that there aren't implications for what we need to do to protect the environment in the future, but in the end, a bit of runoff from a few seasonal wildfires, even if they were of a magnitude seldom seen, isn't going to throw life in the ocean off its game. In fact, there's evidence from volcanic eruption events around the world where yes, it choked marine wildlife for a few months, but then soon after, the increased availability of minerals and nutrients in the local waters led to an explosion of new life.

Have a sense of perspective, lad.
>> No. 21353 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 6:41 pm
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>>21352

It depends if by "nature adapts" you mean "something relatively similar to our current ecosphere continues generally unabated" or "practically everything will die but after a few billion years there'll be something with a similar biodiversity again".
>> No. 21354 Anonymous
15th February 2020
Saturday 6:48 pm
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>>21353

>"practically everything will die but after a few billion years there'll be something with a similar biodiversity again".

Not billions, no, the Earth isn't thought to still have that long to support life. I think 500 million years before the Sun will start getting nasty is about the time frame that's accepted scientific belief.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZYgozCTfKc
>> No. 21355 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 4:38 am
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>>21350

>Thank you for being a voice of reason.

I can't help but notice, despite this lads breakthrough miracle cure of, 'just wash your hands m8' the infection rate and the death toll goes up, even in areas where everyone is acutely aware of the presence of the virus, the only conclusions are that either the Chinese are incapable of washing their hands even when the lives of those around them depend on it, or microbiology lad is talking out their arse about the ease of prevention.
>> No. 21356 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 4:55 am
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>>21355

It's airborne m8, the virus itself is a molecule fractions of microns in size, and we have no idea yet how long it remains viable on surfaces. Unless you have a negative airflow room installed in your inner city flat washing your hands is about the only thing you CAN do to prevent it spreading.

Fortunately that still doesn't change the fact it's got a piss poor mortality rate on anyone who wasn't at death's door already. I'm sorry to spoil it if you wanted a great plague, but this won't be it.
>> No. 21357 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 6:46 am
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>>21356

>Unless you have a negative airflow room installed in your inner city flat washing your hands is about the only thing you CAN do to prevent it spreading.

So washing your hands won't prevent it spreading then?
>> No. 21359 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 11:23 am
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>>21356

>the only conclusions are that either the Chinese are incapable of washing their hands even when the lives of those around them depend on it

As has probably already been mentioned in this thread, culturally, they are not that primed to wash their hands at all. You'd expect more people to start doing it in the wake of the virus, but if it's just not something you're used to then I can see how it could be enough of a phenomenon to cause a more pronounced issue over there than anywhere else.

If the government suddenly told us we had to hop on one leg for 6 seconds every time we cooked food or ate or took a shit, I can't be sure I'd remember every time or even be willing, as it's not something I'm used to doing. I get it, even if it's fucking weird that they don't wash their hands.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23790806
>> No. 21360 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 11:38 am
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>>21357

Well, yes, it fucking will, you colossal bloody moron. When you cough or sneeze, what do you do? You cover your mouth. With your hands. So what do you suppose happens when you go and touch things after that? I suppose doctors and nurses have been barking up the wrong tree all these years.
>> No. 21361 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 12:24 pm
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>>21359

The paper you cited totally contradicts your claims. The proportion of Chinese people who reported rarely or never washing their hands after defecation was 1.8% in rural communities and 0.9% in urban communities. The study clearly shows that most Chinese people are aware of the importance of hand hygiene and wash their hands when they're supposed to most of the time.

Hand hygiene adherence in China is clearly less than perfect, but we can't say that it's any worse than in the West without comparable data. We know from hospital-based studies that even doctors are pretty slapdash about handwashing unless you nag them.
>> No. 21363 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 12:51 pm
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>>21356

>it's got a piss poor mortality rate on anyone who wasn't at death's door already


Also, there is growing evidence that the infection remains symtomless in quite a number of patients. If you don't have symptoms, quite likely you're not going to go see a doctor. Because how will you know you're infected. And then you probably have others where symtoms resemble those of a mild to moderate flu, which again won't prompt them to seek medical help and have their case become part of the statistic.

So if you only have those seeking treatment who have become gravely ill from the virus, then naturally it's going to skew your statistical data. And if you look at pandemics like the Spanish Flu in the 1920s, which killed tens of millions very rapidly at a time when there were far fewer people on the planet and mobility was much less due to commercial international flight being in its infancy, then it's evident that by comparison, the coronavirus is a storm in a teacup, and will stay that way.
>> No. 21364 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 1:29 pm
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>>21361

I must be misunderstanding something as I read this :

>This study found that 52.7% (rural vs urban: 44.6% vs 56.8%) and 67.3% (rural vs urban: 59.7% vs 71.1%) of Chinese adults reported they always washed hands before eating and after defaecation, and 30.0% (rural vs urban: 25.1% vs 32.8%) of adults always used soap or other sanitizers during washing. Using the criteria of 'always or very often washing hands with soap before eating and after defaecation without sharing a towel with family members after washing', only 47.2% (rural vs urban: 23.8% vs 59.1%) of the adults were graded to practice proper handwashing behaviour.

I concede that I can't really say it's any worse there than in the west, other than anecdotally.
>> No. 21365 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 2:43 pm
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>> No. 21366 Anonymous
16th February 2020
Sunday 6:26 pm
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>>21360

So it will still spread but slower because you have less vectors? So it won't stop it spreading then?
>> No. 21368 Anonymous
19th February 2020
Wednesday 1:48 pm
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>>21365

So not even two out of three people in rural areas wash their hands after they've had a poo?
>> No. 21369 Anonymous
19th February 2020
Wednesday 5:49 pm
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>>21365
I've never considered sharing towels to be a factor, before.

>>21368
>Distribution n(%)
>Rural (n = 2072)
>after defaecation, rarely/never; 38 (1.8)

I think it means 38 out of 2072 rural participants, or 1.8%.
>> No. 21370 Anonymous
21st February 2020
Friday 1:46 am
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>>21368
Would you bother if you were going straight back to pitchforking manure around?
>> No. 21371 Anonymous
21st February 2020
Friday 8:13 am
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