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>> No. 13085 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 12:17 am
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I've decided I'd be probably be happiest living a minimalist lifestyle while doing just enough work to get by, preferably from home. Does anyone have experience with this?

I don't have any qualifications so my options are currently limited to doing stuff like transcription and tech support. At the rate I type I'd probably eke out slightly above minimum wage transcribing stuff.

What about more lucrative or more long-term options? Is learning to program from scratch and becoming a telecommuting code monkey a feasible thing to do? If so, what language would give a noob the best job prospects?
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>> No. 13086 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 12:31 am
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>Is learning to program from scratch and becoming a telecommuting code monkey a feasible thing to do?


>If so, what language would give a noob the best job prospects?


>> No. 13087 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 1:20 am
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Do people still learn HTML/CSS? I thought all webdevs used UIs for that now while concerning themselves with the JS/PHP backend.
>> No. 13088 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 1:34 am
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Yes, it's absolutely essential. Even if you're using a UI framework, you need to understand HTML and CSS in order to create custom UI elements and to debug your framework when something inevitably goes wrong. You need to understand what the browser is capable of rendering, you need to be aware of differences in rendering behaviour between browsers and that necessarily requires a fairly deep understanding of HTML, CSS and the DOM.
>> No. 13089 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 2:17 am
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Well shut my whore mouth. Frankly I'm just happy knowing I'll never have to muddle about with CSS ever again, I can't imagine how much of a headache it is now catering to screens of all sizes and ratios. Don't let that put you off OP, CSS is fiddly but it's not hard to get to grips with. It's just one of those things that isn't much fun to learn, unlike most languages.
>> No. 13090 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 2:27 am
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>Frankly I'm just happy knowing I'll never have to muddle about with CSS ever again, I can't imagine how much of a headache it is now catering to screens of all sizes and ratios.

Frameworks do most of the heavy lifting with regards to media enquiries etc, but the main challenge is simply layout and information design. A lot of front-end developers just toggle between mobile and desktop layouts at a given viewport width, but what the hell do you do with tablet users? What's going to happen when foldable-screen phones become the norm? It remains something of an unsolved problem.

The best solution I've found is Material design, which a lot of people hate but provides a consistent and logical basis for designing across a wide range of devices.

>> No. 13091 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 2:28 am
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As someone currently in the market, and considerably more skill than could be acquired off the shelf by just following tutorials, remote work is still very much the exception rather than the rule. I've spoken to a couple of dozen companies so far this year, and the best answer I've heard on this has been "yes, we do remote 3 days a week".

For an absolute beginner, if you're going to target remote work, then you're almost certainly going to end up looking at freelance work, where you'll be competing with tens of thousands of third-worlders who will do the job for peanuts. Realistically, you aren't going to end up working for anyone decent, because the majority of the decent remote work is for companies that expect you to work for free before giving you a job.
>> No. 13092 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 7:02 am
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If you were to get into financial advice then you could easily earn £35,000 to £45,000 as a home based paraplanner, i.e. doing research and writing suitability reports. However, to get to that point you'd need to be at least level four and have a few years of experience under your belt but that isn't especially onerous.
>> No. 13093 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 7:23 am
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There's loads of good, well-paying freelance work available if you know a bit about marketing and networking and your skills are legitimately better than those third-worlders. The mistake is thinking that you can just upload your CV to Upwork and wait for the work to roll in, rather than actively chasing work with good clients and demonstrating competence through side projects.

A lot of businesses use freelancers for flexibility rather than penny-pinching; they're prepared to pay good money for good talent, but they don't need a full-time developer. Lots of agencies have feast-or-famine cycles and often need several web or mobile developers urgently for a few weeks, but can't afford to keep a padded headcount just to cope with the occasional busy period.

It certainly helps to be an exceptional developer, but that is by no means necessary; if you can demonstrate that you're confident with modern tools and methodologies and you're capable of working independently, there are plenty of people who will hire you at a respectable rate.
>> No. 13094 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 7:33 am
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>and your skills are legitimately better than those third-worlders.
I realise that's not necessarily that high a bar, but the OP is a self-confessed beginner. They're not going to be out-competing the masses of Indians any time soon.
>> No. 13095 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 2:01 pm
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I dumpster dived an old XP box the other week. Almost stuck Debian on it but decided to see what I could install and how much I could still do with it (had the original install because account security is shit on XP).

Whilst googling for an old version of some software/fix I ended up on a tech site that demanded I remove my adblocker before showing me the content. I grudgingly did so and one of the adverts was "Become A Windows Expert, Take This Test".

Thought fuck it and did the test. Some multiple choice and an essay at the end. Did it drunk and stoned out of my mind. Forgot about it.

A few days later I get an email telling me I am am being offered a job through the outsourcing company that ran the ad as tech support for all versions of Microsoft Windows and related software.

It's all remote work. No phones involved, only instant messaging. I have never spoken to a boss, if there is one. I sit at home and cane spliffs and lagers while doing the job and shitposting in other tabs while I wait for people to reply.

I have a 95% customer satisfaction rating.

Only caveat is it's paid per queston answered and not an hourly rate. It ends up working out for me at a bit above a tenner an hour though, and I'm used to minimum wage so I am fucking laughing.

Can sign on or off work as and when I want, no set shifts. Can work in the middle of the night if I want (queries just get routed from Australia). Can smoke and drink as much as I want and I don't even have to worry about slurring my words.
>> No. 13096 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 3:31 pm
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How do they pay you? Are you willing to share a link?
>> No. 13097 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 4:02 pm
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Paypal. No. I've already said too much about my shitty working behaviour.
>> No. 13098 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 4:19 pm
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In case they google you? How about the website where you found the advert, in case the advert's still there, if you still recall? I'm sure there must be some oblique way to share the link, so they can't google you, like posting it as an image, but if it's because you don't want competition for the hours or something, that's fair enough.
>> No. 13099 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 4:20 pm
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I think this is American but some of it's probably still applicable.

>> No. 13100 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 4:22 pm
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or google themselves and find you, rather. Or see where the incoming link came from.
>> No. 13101 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 4:26 pm
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I was absolutely shitfaced when I clicked on the link and I don't store browsing history. Sorry mate.
>> No. 13102 Anonymous
10th April 2019
Wednesday 7:00 pm
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Remote tech support lad here.

This is job is fucking unreal. I keep having a creeping doubt that it's too good to be true and I will get it whisked away from me at any moment. I've found myself prograstinating from doing things around the house/personal projects by logging on to work. Being paid for what has become my default procrastination method is just mental.

Also I've got better at answering questions and using the website interface faster, saved a few copypastas I've written for very common questions, and I'm answering stuff at a higher rate now. In any other job, all this would mean is a pat on the back (maybe) from the boss. What this means here is my pay has gone up from an average of £10 an hour to £14 an hour. Actually seeing such tangible benefits from working harder is something I've never experienced in any job, not even sales ones. Probably because all my sales jobs were in crappy call centres and the rewards were utter shit, but still.

I think offices will be done away with eventually. It will be an excuse to cull the useless workers who have become part of the furniture and do nothing but gossip or slack off all day.
>> No. 13103 Anonymous
10th April 2019
Wednesday 7:04 pm
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This would have been a really pleasing typo if my job involved programming.

Can this be a new word please?
>> No. 13104 Anonymous
10th April 2019
Wednesday 7:43 pm
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I'm very jealous. I make more than that an hour, but I have to go out of the house and talk to people and shit to earn it. I do wish you'd tell us how to apply.
>> No. 13105 Anonymous
10th April 2019
Wednesday 7:44 pm
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I searched for half an hour the other day to try and find the link for you but I couldn't. I'm mildly scared because if I get sacked I can't even find a link to apply again with a new identity.
>> No. 13106 Anonymous
16th April 2019
Tuesday 7:12 pm
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What do you lads make of this?

>> No. 13107 Anonymous
17th April 2019
Wednesday 2:13 am
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The curriculum and course material look reasonably good. It's not quite as in-depth as FreeCodeCamp, but that's potentially an advantage if you have limited technical experience or you're intimidated by the sheer scope of the FreeCodeCamp course. FreeCodeCamp definitely have better materials on getting hired, particularly their partnerships with non-profit organisations to help students build a portfolio of real-world projects.
>> No. 13111 Anonymous
24th April 2019
Wednesday 9:05 pm
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Remote tech support lad here.

My pay has now reached £23 an hour.

I've become proficient enough that I logged onto work when blackout drunk after being out on the piss the other day (literally didn't even know I'd done the work and logged on till I checked the dashboard).

My customer satisfaction rating went up.
>> No. 13113 Anonymous
25th April 2019
Thursday 7:29 pm
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How many hours per week/month do you get?
>> No. 13114 Anonymous
29th April 2019
Monday 7:25 am
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As many or as little as I want.

I'm working 10 hours a week at the minute. Pays the cheap rent in my provincial shithole and keeps me in Aldi lager and skunk.
>> No. 13115 Anonymous
30th April 2019
Tuesday 12:29 pm
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>> No. 13232 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 12:55 pm
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I ended up getting a job as a transcriber but after a few transcriptions at 46 pence per minute, I've worked out that the pay is around £5-6 an hour of solid typing at 85wpm. I've heard that better middleman agencies give you 70p per minute, and a reasonable rate to charge when working directly for clients is around £1 or £1.10 per minute.

gizza job remote tech support lad
>> No. 13233 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:02 pm
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I can only type at 40wpm and it was a horrific waste of time for me.
>> No. 13234 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:23 pm
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How difficult is that? How do I do it? Give me your job, transcriberlad.
>> No. 13235 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:24 pm
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You want to work for considerably less than minimum wage? Really?
>> No. 13236 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:33 pm
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I don't even have a phone. I enquired if a farmer whose land I was trespassing had any work a couple of weeks ago. I've done more or less nothing for twelve months.
>> No. 13237 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:44 pm
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It's with TakeNote. You pass some basic tests on the website and then you're pretty much guaranteed to be offered work. The work itself is pretty easy and you can get as much of it as you want if you're okay with working for below minimum wage and with your employer making 50-60 pence for every 46 pence you make.
>> No. 13238 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:58 pm
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Working for ASDA (example because I know the numbers), assuming you work full-time day shifts at the standard rate of £8.54 an hour, that's (8.54 * 37.5 * 47 weeks) = £15,071 before tax, approx £13,700 after tax. Wal-Mart makes $6.67 billion net income ~= £5.52bn.

5.52bn/13700 = £402,919 for every £1 you make, or £185,343 for every 46p you make.

So, just twice is actually a fairly decent deal.
>> No. 13239 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 12:23 am
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Yeah, what >>13238 said.
>> No. 13240 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 12:23 am
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Surely you'd need to factor in the amount of employees Wal-Mart has?

Also there's lads on here that might make their company a few million for their £150k a year salary so maybe Asda is the right call.
>> No. 13241 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 12:45 am
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On the transcription sites, you can see exactly how much they charge their customers per minute. You know you did that exact work and could have done the exact same for the customer without the middleman. Tesco is way more complex. You wouldn't think you could grow all that food from scratch and sell it.
>> No. 13242 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 1:12 am
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That transcription company built an online platform, spend a shitload of money on customer acquisition and another shitload on customer service and quality assurance. For the most part, middlemen exist for a reason and earn their cut - connecting buyers with sellers is difficult and expensive. I'm not denying that some industries have exploitative monopolies, but in this case there's nothing stopping you from learning how to market yourself and touting for business as a freelance transcriptionist. Some people do exactly that and earn a decent living, others are happy to take the quick cash from a middleman.

It's the same with online retail - setting up an online store is piss-easy these days, but finding customers is a completely different kettle of fish. Most small retailers are more than willing to give Amazon or eBay a cut of their sales in exchange for a constant stream of customers.
>> No. 13243 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 2:05 am
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A more apt comparison would be if ASDA were some sort of farmhand recruiter (instead of a megacorp selling physical goods at a yuge markup), hooked you up with farm work, and then paid you 46p for every £1 the farmer paid them.
>> No. 13244 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 2:47 am
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Amazon and eBay take a far smaller percentage than the transcription sites do.

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