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>> No. 13444 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:03 pm
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Not sure if more suited for /job/ or /emo/ but here goes.

I've noticed a girl that 'ghosted' me off a dating app has applied for a job I'm recruiting for, which would make me her line manager.

Her application is actually pretty good but I'm worried it might be awkward if she knows I fancy her.

For context, we arranged to meet up and swapped numbers just before the pandemic, but then she tried to reschedule and never replied to my response suggesting another day.

I'm tempted to text her letting her know that she's applied for a job I'm hiring for, but I'm worried that this would be inappropriate and could get me in trouble.

What's a guy supposed to do in a situation like this?
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>> No. 13446 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:20 pm
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>>13445

We're a small organisation (around 10 staff) so we don't have a proper HR department, and to be honest I dunno if I would be comfortable telling them about this.

How would I be exposing myself to risk if I ignore it?
>> No. 13447 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:20 pm
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>>13444
>I'm tempted to text her letting her know that she's applied for a job I'm hiring for, but I'm worried that this would be inappropriate and could get me in trouble.

lol
>> No. 13448 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:28 pm
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Arrange the job interview at a restaurant or other date setting. Two birds with one stone.
>> No. 13449 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 4:37 pm
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>>13446

If you give her the job, you could be accused of favouritism. If you don't give her the job, you could be accused of spite. If she gets the job and an issue crops up down the road, whatever contact you had with her on the dating app could be used as evidence of your amorous/malicious intent.

Just tell your boss. As soon as you tell your boss, it's his problem, not yours. It might be mildly embarrassing, but it'll be far more embarrassing if it comes out later and it looks like you were hiding something.
>> No. 13450 Anonymous
29th June 2020
Monday 9:06 pm
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>>13449
Not the OP, but I get the feeling that if she doesn't get the job she won't complain.

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>> No. 13404 Anonymous
13th June 2020
Saturday 2:20 am
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On balance, would you say that you prefer having a male or a female boss?

It's a controversial topic but I got to talking about this at work today. I'd honestly never thought about it before but a lad baffled me with an admission that he never gets along with male bosses as he feels there is a macho-rivalry that goes on. Same with the other one on the call who said that she prefers a male boss as, in her opinion, female bosses are more controlling - she was quite adamant that she would pick a male boss every time.

I definitely prefer a male boss and had assumed it was the norm to prefer the same gender. I wouldn't be comfortable talking to a female boss about my problems and you can't have the same 'matey' relationship where you both take the piss or engage in friendly insubordination. Personally, I can't think of a single instance where I've had a happy relationship with a female boss and it's probably irrevocably influenced my view, I've found them quite incapable of having my back or speaking honesty and therefore I can't respect them.

Maybe that's me though. Next female boss I get I'll rip the piss out of her and ignore her instructions to see what happens. I assume she will storm off and report me to HR for not embracing her girl-power ego.
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>> No. 13419 Anonymous
14th June 2020
Sunday 12:14 pm
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>>13418

I think that's everyone's experience. It's one of those things everyone has probably noticed by just knows you're supposed to brush over in any context requiring PC.

My work was in the situation a few years ago where me and another lad were the only males, to 8 or 9 females. The rest of the lasses actively requested that in future they try to hire more lads, because the catiness was getting so severe. It's mad that it's something they even recognised themselves but were incapable of just... Not being.
>> No. 13420 Anonymous
14th June 2020
Sunday 12:44 pm
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>>13419
I couldn't care less at this point. I'm a corporate drone, if they dimple or dangle makes little difference to how much I detest filling in the TPS reports... err, ticking off my SSADM blocks... err, [s]story points[s]... err, commenting enough on the corporate GitHub? >>13409 yes.

They are all playing the same game.
>> No. 13421 Anonymous
14th June 2020
Sunday 12:46 pm
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>>13420
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>> No. 13422 Anonymous
14th June 2020
Sunday 2:49 pm
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>>13418
>>13419
I reckon it's just playground antics bubbling up into adulthood. As a lad I might have a (professional) dust-up with someone one day and the next we'll have a laugh over a pint, women meanwhile go into long-simmering psychological conflicts. I'm stereotyping here but I reckon women could do with corporate training in how to properly conduct monkey business.

Still, while a lad team works well I find a male-dominated office somehow lacking something that is difficult to describe. Women have this calming effect and, in general, stop you from living like a caveman.
>> No. 13423 Anonymous
14th June 2020
Sunday 7:09 pm
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>> No. 13375 Anonymous
4th March 2020
Wednesday 8:55 pm
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Let's say you had your time again. How would you go about becoming a successful architect?
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>> No. 13398 Anonymous
8th March 2020
Sunday 12:49 pm
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>>13396
Typical adult gamer, expecting others to take care of his own responsibilities.
>> No. 13399 Anonymous
8th March 2020
Sunday 12:53 pm
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>>13394

Why not just run a keylogger on your laptop, and temporarily block her phone from the internet on your router so she's forced to use your computer for a couple of days? You'll probably get facebook, insta, maybe even a bank account or two.
>> No. 13400 Anonymous
8th March 2020
Sunday 12:56 pm
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>>13399
Why would I want access to her bank account? That'd be crossing a line.
>> No. 13401 Anonymous
8th March 2020
Sunday 1:50 pm
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>>13400

I'm not saying you would, just that you could.

Useful for tracking where she's been, though.
>> No. 13402 Anonymous
8th March 2020
Sunday 6:01 pm
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>>13396

I feel you.

I upgraded my system a couple of months ago, and the most fun I've actually had with it is the first couple of weeks where I was repeatedly running benchmarks, swapping out the fans, and tweaking the fan curves to see how quiet I could make it without getting into throttling territory.

Still undecided if the pair of 140mm fans I had in the front before were better than the higher spec 120mm ones I have in now, because I feel like they blow a bit too exclusively at the GPU and starve the CPU radiator a bit. If I was to swap them and test it out, I could easily waste a week tinkering without booting up a single game.

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>> No. 12418 Anonymous
16th July 2018
Monday 5:05 pm
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Hi Lads, cadet from the travel-working thread here - I think the MN might be an interesting topic to discuss, especially as some other lads have questions.

I can only speak from the perspective of someone starting a cadetship, so can't contribute much, other than my agreement at the poster saying that it seems to be a good way out for someone without qualifications but a willingness to do the graft.
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>> No. 13370 Anonymous
28th February 2020
Friday 12:14 am
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>>13230

What was your function onboard?
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28th February 2020
Friday 5:33 pm
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>>13370
physical correspondence technician
>> No. 13372 Anonymous
28th February 2020
Friday 5:54 pm
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>>13371
You mean you were a postboy?
>> No. 13373 Anonymous
28th February 2020
Friday 9:30 pm
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>>13372
No, those are the employees without a degree in Communications.
>> No. 13374 Anonymous
28th February 2020
Friday 9:54 pm
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>>13372

He jests but there are postmen on some cruise ships that wear a special uniform and everything.

Maybe he's the head postman.

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>> No. 13367 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 10:06 pm
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I've gotten myself promoted to a management position because I did well at interview. My issue is that I've skipped a level in my career and in my current role have been doing technical work where it has not been possible for me to experiment managing apprentices (nor have I received management training).

This will therefore be my first experience in line management and I will be managing people who sit at my current level in a different area. Can any of you provide advice on being a good manager? I'd hate to break someone or have my incompetence exposed.
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>> No. 13368 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 10:58 pm
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Think of the good and bad qualities you have observed in your own managers over the years. Shape your behaviour accordingly.

Personally, I think the most important quality is to be that manager who just gets things done. People will put up with a range of personalities and management styles so long as they know that if they come to you with anything, it'll get sorted and sorted fast.
>> No. 13369 Anonymous
12th February 2020
Wednesday 11:45 pm
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I've only managed a shop full of spod teenagers, unless you count running a band as a form of management, but I can only say this:

Manage pragmatically.

By that I mean, don't be that cunt who expects people to just try harder because you tell them to, or expect them to deliver deadlines because you said so. That isn't how people work and never will be in a million billion years. What you instead have to do is give tasks to the people who are most likely to do them, you have to give people the jobs they hate the least, that sort of thing. Your job is minimising friction, not cracking the whip.

The best sort of managers are the ones who are good at observing their people and sussing out what their actual strengths and weaknesses are, and working around it with a bit of give and take. The worst sort of managers are the ones who prioritise petty bullshit like reprimanding someone for being five minutes late, over expending their effort on something that actually makes a difference to your team's outcomes.

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>> No. 13352 Anonymous
7th February 2020
Friday 4:20 pm
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Any of you lads Teachers?

I'm tempted by the immediate money I can get by selling myself to the profession for one or two years, without really comitting myself to the suicide inducing career for life.

I'm looking to relocate to London and take up training.
Any advice?
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>> No. 13362 Anonymous
8th February 2020
Saturday 1:52 am
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>>13360

>So what is it teachers hate so much about being teachers?

80% of them are dossers and inadequates who can't really cope with the real world. Like OP, they had no real desire to teach, they just fell into it because they had a middling degree and no real plan or ambition for what they want to do in life. Some of them do figure it out and fuck off after a couple of years, but some of them get stuck and become increasingly frustrated and embittered.

The remaining 20% are genuinely passionate about teaching, but they're stuck in a totally dysfunctional environment with a bunch of people who don't really give a shit.


>> No. 13363 Anonymous
8th February 2020
Saturday 8:02 am
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>>13352

I find the career teacher a very weird idea. You go through primary secondary college and university and back to school. It seems like an insidious loop where at no point are you exposed to the 'outside world'. And I mean that in the least snobbish way. But if you have no understanding of what the world is like for people outside the institution how could you possibly prepare people for it?


I probably have a personal bias of hating piss poor teaching and a concern of it fucking peoples futures up. My education at school was shit. The secondary school I was at is being disbanded. And as a personal act of vengeance on my application to colleges one of the teachers wrote the single line statement 'not suitable for A-levels'. I dropped out of IT before GCSE at said school and now work as a developer something I discovered by accident I had a passion and talent for and had to self teach long after formal education. So please OP don't become a teacher unless you actually give a shit about improving Children's chances in life.
>> No. 13364 Anonymous
8th February 2020
Saturday 5:06 pm
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Facebook wants me to teach, apparently.
>> No. 13365 Anonymous
11th February 2020
Tuesday 1:45 am
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OP here.

To fill out my profile a little more, I'm an overqualified bar manager, having worked up from the bar staff job I got at Uni. While I appreciate teaching may be shit, from my perspective I already care for children; just intoxicated ones who somehow still retain the franchise.
I hate my job, replacing it with a higher paying job I may hate equally really isn't much of a problem for me.

Thanks for the advice lads, having talked it over IRL I've decided to still get this application in, but keeping an eye on other opportunities.

I've put up with worse.
>> No. 13366 Anonymous
11th February 2020
Tuesday 6:16 pm
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>>13365
Good luck lad - hope it works out for you and you should pursue what makes you tick.

That said, is there nothing else that tickles your fancy?

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>> No. 13339 Anonymous
2nd January 2020
Thursday 3:41 pm
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I've been looking at PhD studentships in that London. The stipends seem ludicrously low for living there.

What sort of life, if any, can you afford for £17,000 - £18,000 in London? Is there some other common source of funding that I'm missing?
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>> No. 13346 Anonymous
2nd January 2020
Thursday 9:04 pm
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>>13344

I think you've got the nail on the head there, mate. I'm currently doing my Master's full-time but found the hours to
also work part time 50%, and am just about making ends meet. Though I live in an "interesting" city, I really haven't had much of a chance to enjoy it since blowing through my savings.

There's something especially suffocating about a lack of money, knowing you can't even pop into a cafe and get a coffee.

Problem is, my field is really very much concentrated in London. The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine is something of a Mecca for my kind of research, though there is also Oxford and Liverpool.
>> No. 13347 Anonymous
2nd January 2020
Thursday 9:10 pm
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>>13344

StAndrews is ludicrously expensive to live in considering it's in the arse end of nowhere. All foreign money and tourism and student housing demands piled into one tiny town.
>> No. 13349 Anonymous
3rd January 2020
Friday 12:14 am
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It's tax free mate.
>> No. 13350 Anonymous
3rd January 2020
Friday 1:49 pm
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>>13345
It does say something and I agree. I moved from a very cosy 30k job in the north where I had a huge flat, a car, and I was bored every weekend. Nothing really happens that stimulated me in the same way it does here. Also, if you're in your 20s, no kids, and can wait a few years to settle into mundane boredom where the neighbours getting an unsightly new door colour is the big talk then what do you have to lose by trying it?

In many ways despite earning more money, my quality of life has shrunk massively, but I'm still happier and London is popular for a reason as I said. These people aren't desperate to get to Doncaster.

I don't want to turn this into a London cunt off but I spent years avoiding London because of the same types of comments I'd see online like in this thread that made me feel I'd be miserable and unhappy. It's the complete opposite, £1.50 on a bus and there's always something happening.

I'm soon gonna be hitting that 50k+ mark and i know for a fact I would dream of hitting it in my 40s if I was not in London, so you have to factor in that cost of living accounts for the fact there are many more high paid jobs.

Lad - get on spareroom, ask on /r/askuk for other PHD students doing similar and see what it realistically looks like and be honest with yourself about what sort of luxuries you can and can't live without.
>> No. 13351 Anonymous
3rd January 2020
Friday 2:30 pm
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>>13350
> Also, if you're in your 20s, no kids, and can wait a few years to settle into mundane boredom where the neighbours getting an unsightly new door colour is the big talk then what do you have to lose by trying it?

Absolutely. Having been born there I always encouraged people to give London a try at least once in their 20s but (at least for me) once I hit my thirties and became a bit of a boring cunt the cost/benefit ratio stopped paying off. I was happier to have a bit more money in my pocket and be able to spend it on eating out and foreign travel.

>>13349

If it's tax free then it's plausible if you flatshare and scrimp a bit as others have said. Good luck, lad.

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>> No. 13326 Anonymous
20th December 2019
Friday 8:12 am
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Remember, lads. If you want a decent pay rise you'll most likely have to change jobs.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2019#earnings-growth-for-individuals
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>> No. 13332 Anonymous
20th December 2019
Friday 8:13 pm
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This strategy worked for me. Did it twice in the past 18 months, and clearly things weren't working. Got 20% going into the first, 10% out of there and into the second, and 25% out of there and into somewhere decent. Throw in the raise I received in the job I had before that, and in two years my pay has gone up 65%.
>> No. 13333 Anonymous
20th December 2019
Friday 8:39 pm
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>>13331
That'll learn you for trying to help people.
>> No. 13334 Anonymous
20th December 2019
Friday 9:03 pm
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>>13331
As someone who worked in the NHS in a very much not frontline area, pay is a perennial problem. Management would wonder why the we were always suffering the same old problems that were getting us constantly slated. The thought that pay points were pathetic compared to the market and therefore the only people suitably qualified that were applying were internal candidates. Anyone that was actually competent was leaving.
>> No. 13335 Anonymous
20th December 2019
Friday 9:18 pm
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Yeah, in our line of work you can easily change jobs every few years without it hurting your CV at all - improving it even. The problem comes as you get older, have families, and don't feel like jumping on the recruitment merry-go-round every two years.
>> No. 13337 Anonymous
21st December 2019
Saturday 11:39 pm
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>>13329
Thanks. Between 2010 and 2015 my pay only went up from £15,000 to £20,000 but since then it has more than doubled. It's amazing what difference a bit of experience and self belief can do.

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>> No. 13299 Anonymous
5th October 2019
Saturday 10:24 am
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Right, lads, I've been invited to interview for my job now but on the other side of the world.

It's a niche job so the demand for it outside of my immediate area is low and the chance to move to the other side of the world is even lower. My quality of life would be much higher and it's practically double my salary.

The interview is with the team I'd be joining and it's on Skype really late at night. How do I not cock this up?

If any of you have done anything similar before I'd appreciate advice on:
-How to not make ymself look like a weird twat on camera (what do I put in the background, do I still wear a full suit etc)?
-How do I make a good impression when other candidates will be there in person?
-Is it weird if I stay at work and do it and explain to them that it's because my home internet is shit?

Any advice welcome, I really fucking want this job.
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>> No. 13315 Anonymous
11th October 2019
Friday 11:11 pm
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>>13313
Bear in mind that the worst that can happen is that they say no. Get back up, dust yourself down and carry on as usual.
>> No. 13316 Anonymous
13th October 2019
Sunday 9:24 pm
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Well lads, I think I've been offered the job (subject to references etc).

What a fucking whirl wind. I don't know whether to take it or not.
>> No. 13317 Anonymous
13th October 2019
Sunday 9:27 pm
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>>13316
Take it like a Polaroid picture.
>> No. 13318 Anonymous
14th October 2019
Monday 6:24 am
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>>13316

You spent all this time fretting about getting the job and now you're not even sure you want it? Howay lad, accept it.
>> No. 13319 Anonymous
14th October 2019
Monday 12:06 pm
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>>13318
He'd got it into his head that he wasn't getting it and had come to terms with that. Now he's all conflicted, bless him.

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>> No. 13295 Anonymous
3rd October 2019
Thursday 7:47 pm
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Are any of you lads medical doctors or working your way towards becoming one? I'm interested in hearing how people have managed with the UKCAT (now UCAT), and medical studies in general.

After many years of skirting around the edges of medical fields in academic jobs, I'm thinking of just going for it.
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>> No. 13296 Anonymous
4th October 2019
Friday 10:37 am
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No, but I watched a lot of Quincy when I was unemployed.
>> No. 13297 Anonymous
4th October 2019
Friday 4:25 pm
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I was thinking about it (and never say never), but I'm comfortable and well paid and I think becoming a student again would set my life back by a couple of years. I think you have to know. That's what they say about PhDs. Studying medicine is a bigger commitment than a PhD; 4 or 5 years in medical school and 2 as a junior, then more training. Still, it's a great career. I sat the UKCAT twice. Got 620 the first time. 740 the second. Buy a book, study the questions. It's fucking boring and might put you off applying, but a decent UKCAT score is enough to get you in. You'll have a strong application if you have shadowing experience in different departments, and long term volunteer experience in a hospital/care setting; admissions like to see that you're happy to do the menial jobs, because that's what a decent chunk of the next decade of your life as a student doctor will be.
>> No. 13298 Anonymous
4th October 2019
Friday 4:29 pm
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>>13297
Rereading, I wasn't clear. In fact, the voluntary experience and hospital shadowing are prerequisites. But really, you can do a Saturday morning every week. You can have "6 months" as a volunteer with 96 hours of actual volunteering (4 hours a week).
>> No. 13303 Anonymous
5th October 2019
Saturday 8:49 pm
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I did the UKCAT about 7 years ago. It felt like there wasn't enough time. I remember there was a lot of verbal/numerical reasoning, it's possible to prepare for it. So get a book and practice.

Are you doing graduate entry or the full undergrad? I've heard graduate entry is really hard because it's 4 years instead of 5.
>> No. 13304 Anonymous
6th October 2019
Sunday 1:39 pm
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>>13303

I haven't decided what route to take just yet. I'm actually living abroad at the moment and figuring out the best path...

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>> No. 13251 Anonymous
12th September 2019
Thursday 1:59 pm
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these dickheads get paid £8 a hour to shuffle around and stare at you whilst you actually try and find meaningful employment,use the computers to use universal jobmatch.

occasionally they need to throw out the odd violent twat so maybe one or two of these lot are required, but the government seems to think that having eleven of them per jobcentre is required.

they shuffle about and stare at you like this like they were lobotomised and turned into robocops. this is what they do all day and the government considers it value for money.
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>> No. 13288 Anonymous
16th September 2019
Monday 11:36 am
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If they actually expect to be attacked by AJ, they're doing it wrong anyway.
>> No. 13289 Anonymous
16th September 2019
Monday 1:28 pm
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>>13282
Being a security guard is a pretty cushty job at the best of times but imagine how laid back it is with fourteen other people to pick up the slack.
>> No. 13291 Anonymous
19th September 2019
Thursday 9:51 pm
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I did my own dole hunting yesterday and there were three security bods in the building. Two were on the fat side of normal sized, but one was about six foot four inches tall and built like a cave troll. I assume the tubby two just exist to point him in the right direction when things go sour.

Also everyone there quite nice, probably because I'm dead charming and lovely, unlike you miserable buggers.
>> No. 13292 Anonymous
19th September 2019
Thursday 10:09 pm
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>>13291

The other two are ammo for him to lob.
>> No. 13294 Anonymous
26th September 2019
Thursday 4:48 pm
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I'm just hijacking this thread for my own Job Centre related /101/ moaning now, but today, as I sat in a Job Centre and agreed to my "Universal Credit commitments" my claim was closed in real time, by someone in another part of the country, as I had not yet agreed to said commitments, despite being moments away from doing so. Now I get to enjoy more looks of disappointed bafflement than usual as I explain a situation that "has never happened before" according to the chap I was meeting with.

I think I owe Ken Loach an apology, this is buggered and it's actually left me quite depressed.

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>> No. 13264 Anonymous
13th September 2019
Friday 1:57 pm
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During my current job and my last job, I've been made to feel like the second choice candidate, despite eventually getting the position.

The first instance, I only heard about them considering another candidate until a couple of months in. They decided on somewhere else shortly after the interview, and I had to re-interview to get in. Tried not to take it personally and all that, it was a big step up for me after all.

This job really took the piss, though. I interviewed for a 100% position, which was eventually split between myself and another person 50%... the other half went to a closely-related family member of one of the interviewers, no less.

They didn't make me interview twice, but the other one ended up taking on the more simple and immediate tasks leaving me in the wind for months about what my job role actually was.

Is there something I'm doing wrong, here? Is it an indication of something? Is it just that hiring is often a process of elimination rather than selection?
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>> No. 13265 Anonymous
13th September 2019
Friday 2:35 pm
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Is there something I'm doing wrong, here?

Nothing I can see, the first story is just the fact of life these people have no prior relationship with you, I'm sure you are lovely but then I'm sure the other 50+ people who applied are lovely too. That's just life you are as mundane as the rest of us

The second is just bullshit nepotism, the last job I interview for it got into a farce by the end because they didn't want to admit I was the better candidate on paper but they wanted to hire someone else because they were the mate of the guy he'd be closely working with presumably because the likes of their bosses boss would be wholly unamused.
>> No. 13266 Anonymous
13th September 2019
Friday 6:54 pm
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For my career break I came second in a job interview. I later learnt that the admin head only wanted to hire women, something I've mentioned on /job/ before, so I lost out to someone who turned out to be useless but possessed a vagina. However, I impressed other people at the interview so that when someone went off on long-term sick I was hired on a temporary contract, which was eventually made permanent.

I'm now in a managerial position so I'm responsible for recruitment in my department. There's been occasions where there's been a dearth of suitable candidates. There's been other occasions where I've had to choose one from a number of strong candidates when any one of them would have absolutely walked it at on a different occasion, some of whom I've contacted when we've had a vacancy at a later date. You can try your absolute best but you can't control who you are up against. That's life.

There's no guarantee that an employer has a decent hiring process. For some reason the recruitment for the graduate scheme at work is done by the admin head and she is as thick as pig shit, which most likely explains why four out of the last five graduates recruited have turned out to be a mistake.

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>> No. 12898 Anonymous
23rd January 2019
Wednesday 3:27 pm
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I haven't had a job since 2005.

R8.
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>> No. 12905 Anonymous
23rd January 2019
Wednesday 4:41 pm
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>>12900

Do some voluntary work or ask at the Jobcentre about work placements. It'll help build your confidence, get you back into the habit of working and you'll get a reference. It shouldn't affect your benefits.

There are loads of local organisations who offer back-to-work support programmes for the long term unemployed. You could do a bit of Googling, or ask at the Jobcentre or Citizens Advice.

You might want to consider your education options. If you don't have many qualifications, taking a vocational course at your local FE college might be a good route back into work. A recent qualification on your CV shows employers that you're actually motivated to get back into work, rather than just applying for stuff because the Jobcentre told you to.

Self-employment is also an option worth considering. You can get free mentoring, a loan to cover your start-up costs and claim the New Enterprise Allowance for the first six months.
>> No. 12906 Anonymous
23rd January 2019
Wednesday 4:50 pm
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If you're disabled/mentally ill there are a lot of services which give advice to people with these conditions looking for work. I used a couple last year, and while they were a bit basic for me (I already had a half decent CV with a fair amount of work experience) I can see it would be useful for those who have less experience.
>> No. 12907 Anonymous
23rd January 2019
Wednesday 5:03 pm
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>>12904
The whole point of work is looking busy rather than actually doing work. Everyone in the finance team at Patisserie Valerie was so good at looking busy rather doing their jobs that they didn't notice there wasn't any money for them to shuffle around and those lovely people at Grant Thornton were so good at pretending to audit that they didn't notice it either.
>> No. 12908 Anonymous
23rd January 2019
Wednesday 8:03 pm
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Offer to do people's gardening, go door to door.

If you can cycle consider deliveroo.

Look on fiverr for things like dog sitting, cat sitting.

Can you play any instruments or know any foreign languages? People are always looking to learn.

These jobs aren't ideal but they're a start.
>> No. 13252 Anonymous
12th September 2019
Thursday 2:06 pm
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>>12905
>ask at the Jobcentre about work placement

fucking don't lad, its slave labour under a different name. volunteer at a charity. alternatively alot of places don't give two shits about employment.

best advice get on the train if you live somewhere that has one. blah blah blah ticket prices its bullshit. any cunt can find a job in london or brighton or birmingham. so do that and commute.

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>> No. 13246 Anonymous
25th August 2019
Sunday 6:37 pm
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Are any of you lads a member of a trade union? How have you found it and does membership justify the cost?

I've been considering whether I should join my works one but, from speakers to members, it seems like they don't get a whole lot of benefit from what isn't an insignificant membership fee. In addition to this I'm looking at the union parties and they seem pretty disconnected to the day to day thoughts of their members. It reminds me of student union politics. I get that they will help you with employment disputes but I'm not sure how much that is worth.
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>> No. 13247 Anonymous
25th August 2019
Sunday 7:36 pm
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>it seems like they don't get a whole lot of benefit from what isn't an insignificant membership fee
Define your terms here. What is the perceived benefit, and where do you perceive it to fall down next to the fees?
>> No. 13248 Anonymous
25th August 2019
Sunday 9:12 pm
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It depends really.

I'm not part of the union at my work because I'm not a high up enough member of staff to have a horse in the race if it ever comes to redundancies or what have you. I'll just get another job and not really give a fuck.

If I was higher up I'd very definitely be in the union because I'd have a reason to care- Contract changes to on call pay recently come to mind. Doesn't affect me but they've basically managed to keep this deal where they get nearly as much in overtime as their basic wage, because the union keeps throwing a spanner in the works every time they try to change it.

Some stuff they are powerless to affect and don't try. Some people at my place piss and moan about how the union doesn't do anything for them, but that's because those people are expecting the union to do things the union isn't supposed to do. You don't get to just tell your boss you want to work 8-4 instead of 9-5 and then expect the union to back you up. Of course they won't, and you're off your rocker if you think they will.

TL;DR the more money and vested interest you have the more worthwhile it's being in the union. There's basically no point at all if you're at an entry level position in a given organisation.
>> No. 13249 Anonymous
26th August 2019
Monday 3:49 am
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>>13246
>I get that they will help you with employment disputes but I'm not sure how much that is worth.
Be aware that as a general policy, you won't be able to get help unless you are already a member at the time the dispute arises. In other words, you can't get into trouble and then join the union to get their help.
>> No. 13250 Anonymous
26th August 2019
Monday 8:53 am
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This may not be helpful, but I tend to join unions out of principle more than anything. Unions that are ineffectual tend to be that way because they're operating in industries with massive historical defeats, and a resulting lack money and support.

It can certainly be a bit of a sideshow with its own weird internal politics, but it's one way of lending a bit of weight to worker's rights in an otherwise authoritarian system of work.

Ironically, the times in my life where I could have most used a union, none were available because of the nature of the job. Temporary workers rarely join unions or stay around long enough to satisfactorily resolve disputes, so they've invariably been the ones with the most unreasonable conditions and miserable work environments.

Easily the strongest union I've ever paid into was when I was with the NHS. There's a few different choices, there, but the one I looked at seemed to really take care to resolve disputes and they actually had some credibility.

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