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>> No. 59246 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 7:40 pm
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>A homeless man who stole a purse and a phone from victims of the Manchester Arena attack has admitted theft.

>Chris Parker, 33, was initially dubbed a hero after claiming he comforted a seriously injured girl. CCTV footage played to Manchester Crown Court showed him wandering between stricken victims. He kept returning to injured Pauline Healey, whose granddaughter lay dying nearby, before leaning over her and taking her handbag to steal her purse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-42540738

I don't get why bleeding heart do-gooders bleat on about the homeless. They're all scratters who are on the streets through choice, usually because they choose not to stay in a hostel as they know they wouldn't be allowed to do drugs there.
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>> No. 59247 Paedofag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:03 pm
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>>59246
It is a sad story. The sadder part being he had 50 grand raised for him which he never got, as a result of this.
>> No. 59249 R4GE
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:22 pm
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>>59247
Money raised by twats for a twat.

He's a twat for lying and saying he was going around comforting victims when the reality is he'd snuck inside to see if they'd dropped any good loot or taking pictures of the dead bodies to try and sell to the media.

They're twats who go from one superficial social media campaign to the next. Kony 2012. Shouting dolphin rape about Lupita Nyong'o having her hair airbrushed for a magazine cover. Getting mad over the fake news that the Tories don't believe in animal sentience. Vacuous twats.
>> No. 59250 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:30 pm
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Yes I'm sure this one example means that we can just dismiss all homeless people as "scratters". That way we don't have to worry about them or think about the societal conditions that lead to homelessness at all. Plus we can even feel morally superior!

But still, that bloke is obviously a grade A cunt.
>> No. 59251 Auntiefucker
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:44 pm
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>>59250
You can spot a Labour voter a mile off. "It's always somebody else's fault. There's no such thing as agency or personal responsibility."

Street dwellers broadly fall into two categories: scratters and beggars. If you drew a Venn diagram then there'd be quite a large overlap.

I suppose all the scratters who had been living under the canopy of the old BHS storefront in Hull, who spent their days brazenly shooting up in broad daylight, are poor unfortunate victims of society rather than a load of scuzzy scumbags.
>> No. 59252 Crabkiller
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:49 pm
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>>59251

A great deal of homeless are on the streets because they have unchecked mental issues and no support.

If you were ill enough that you couldn't work, and didn't have a family to sort you out, can you say for sure you'd still have a roof over your head?
>> No. 59253 Anonymous
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:52 pm
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>>59252
How could it possibly come to pass that I have no family nor people I could treat as family?
>> No. 59254 Ambulancelad
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 8:56 pm
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>>59252
So we've gone from it being society's fault to it being mental health. It's one cop-out after another. There's always an excuse.

Sometimes it's not society's fault. Sometimes it isn't an undiagnosed mental illness. Sometimes people are just plain scumbags.

We need to stop speculating that people are mentally ill, which in my opinion is highly insulting to people who are actually suffering from mental health issues, by using it as a blanket explanation to simplify problems. It's the mental healthism equivalent of dolphin rape of low expectations - "oh, he can't help it. He's probably got mental issues."
>> No. 59255 Samefag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:19 pm
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>>59254
I know the point you are trying to make, and it is very sound, but a lot of homeless people do suffer mental health issues.
>> No. 59256 Paedofag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:27 pm
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Christ that sounds horrible.

Imagine being on your death bed and a complete fucking stranger starts trying to strike up conversation with you. Not even interesting conversation, just a skaghead mumbling about how he's learning Greek by switching the language on his phone or whatever bollocks they usually come out with when trying to rustle some change.

Yeah, sure, tell them to piss off so you can die in peace if you dare. It is medically guaranteed that they will get the last word in.
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3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:32 pm
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I thought at the time the other "homeless hero" looked like he had the potential to be normal and maybe just fell on the hard times but the thief looked like a subnormal scumbag who had probably been like that from day one.
>> No. 59258 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:36 pm
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I used to be the biggest liberal about homelessness until the mid-2000s when I lived opposite a hostel and every one of them I got to know was an alcoholic, a drug addict or mentally ill.

I was thinking maybe its easier to get homeless now and with the exploding numbers I might be more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
>> No. 59259 Auntiefucker
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 9:37 pm
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This seems like a fairly serious discussion for /iq/.
>> No. 59261 Crabkiller
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 10:12 pm
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>>59258
>WAS AN ALCOHOLIC, A DRUG ADDICT OR MENTALLY ILL

SO WHAT? AS A SOCIETY WE COULD TREAT THEM BETTER AND HOUSE THEM.

>>59259
u homeless cunt m9
>> No. 59262 Billbob
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 10:29 pm
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>>59258
>I WAS THINKING MAYBE ITS EASIER TO GET HOMELESS NOW AND WITH THE EXPLODING NUMBERS I MIGHT BE MORE WILLING TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

According to the National Audit Office the defining characteristic for the rise in homelessness since 2010 is the ending of assured shorthold tenancies whereas beforehand it was primarily a range of personal factors. Wages aren't keeping pace with rent rises.

The rise in the use of temporary accommodation is primarily in London and the South East, with 70% of households in temporary accommodation placed there by London boroughs. Councils have less social housing stock, are having to spend more on temporary accommodation and less on preventing the causes of it. Fewer private landlords are willing to work with the council in accomodating the homeless.

In short, the benefit cap means that paupers can't afford to live in London but they're reluctant to leave. Homelessness is actually lower in areas with relatively a high proportion of unemployed private tenants on housing benefit and is higher in larger cities, particularly those with more people from the EU registered to work; those most vulnerable are those in areas where housing benefit (and therefore rents) are higher and for those who are working and in receipt of housing benefit. We need to stop landlords being cunts, build more social housing and make parts of the country which aren't London more attractive to work and live.
>> No. 59263 YubYub
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 10:56 pm
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>>59261

I mean you don't have to be an evil tory to worry that money you give beggars is feeding their addiction, and people with some types of mental illness (e.g. Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder), if it's severe and they're insightless, just seem to be exist to make life more miserable for everyone else. Some got homeless because they "fell out with" (i.e. beat the shit out of) their wives.

Some of the hostel's "rehabilitated success stories" were out-of-control drunks on high rate DLA who got paid to stay drunk all day every day. They were the local pub's "best customers" and friends with the staff and owners who would take them for days out bowling sometimes. The staff would do charity events for liver/kidney disease charity sometimes which seemed a bit hypocritical along with the fact they were enabling their "friends" to slowly kill themselves.
>> No. 59264 Billbob
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 11:30 pm
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>>59263
Well I'm sure your anecdotal evidence means that you are able to make 100% objective statements about all homeless people then.

>>59253
You really can't conceive of a situation or set of circumstances where this could happen?

Fucking hell.
>> No. 59265 Billbob
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 11:40 pm
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>>59264

>WELL I'M SURE YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE MEANS THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO MAKE 100% OBJECTIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT ALL HOMELESS PEOPLE THEN.

When did I say that? I could read the Guardian about how they're all blameless victims or the Daily Mail about how benefit claimants are all scumbags (especially when they were scapegoat number one back then) and surely real life experience is going to inform which you pay more attention to.

I remember people from homeless charities admitting that most of them had mental health or addiction issues at the time. Like I said

(and >>59262 said)

I got the sense that might have changed by now.
>> No. 59266 Moralfag
3rd January 2018
Wednesday 11:44 pm
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I remember an old post on here by that ex-homeless guy who said he had been on homelessness panels and whatnot. It was in response to hand-wringing about some council taking homeless people's blankets away and he said homelessness doesn't work the way people think it does and when you give them money etc., you enable them to keep going with their negative choices.

He said to go and watch a documentary called The Wet House but I never got around to it before it got taken down from YouTube unfortunately.
>> No. 59267 Samefag
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:07 am
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I wonder what happened to that guy we packed off to Holland?
>> No. 59268 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:08 am
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>>59251
>>59250
>>59246
Can someone explain what a scratter is because google just says it's some kind of machine for squashing apples
>> No. 59269 Auntiefucker
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:12 am
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>>59268

really?
>> No. 59270 R4GE
4th January 2018
Thursday 12:12 am
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I bet that little shit squashed some apples after he got done stealing purses.
>> No. 59272 Searchfag
4th January 2018
Thursday 6:47 am
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>>59270
He could market the end result as "scratters scrumpy". Real live tramp juice.
>> No. 59274 Are Moaty
4th January 2018
Thursday 10:37 am
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>>59272

Thanks, that's just the thing to wash down my mid-morning egg salad sandwich.
>> No. 59275 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 10:46 am
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Hey I didn't know this type of thread was acceptable. OK great, but while everyone is making generalisations about homeless people we're not talking about what we should do to the real villains of the Manchester bombing: the fucking eskimos. They should all be hung drawn and quartered, including my newsagent and my taxi driver. Bleeding heart liberals don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done.
>> No. 59276 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 11:14 am
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>>59275

There are people out there who believe people should be tortured and killed, because they offend them. And I find that idea so offensive I believe those people should be tortured and killed.
>> No. 59277 R4GE
4th January 2018
Thursday 11:33 am
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>>59257
I reckon you're a massive racist. The so called "normal" one is fair skinned, blue eyed, and fairer haired. The "subnormal" one is swarthy, dark haired, and dark eyed. Does being a perfect Aryan make a better homeless person, Mr Hitler?
>> No. 59278 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 5:07 pm
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>>59277
The bloke at the bottom doesn't look like he'd hold a dirty needle to your throat whilst saying he's got HIV and will stab you if you don't hand over your phone and wallet.
>> No. 59279 Searchfag
4th January 2018
Thursday 5:25 pm
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>>59254

Obviously I'm not saying every homeless person is mental, but I've worked with a lot of them (through Shelter, local outreach, and food banks, mostly) and a great deal have the same story, the one I've just described. I'm just telling you what I've seen, and what most people who work with these charities would tell you.

To put it another way, though, even if you're a lazy, thieving scumbag, to be on the streets because you're so lazy you can't even be arsed to sustain yourself - how is that anything other than a mental deficiency?
>> No. 59280 Samefag
4th January 2018
Thursday 5:46 pm
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>>59279

Also, being homeless is terrible for your mental health. There's a vicious cycle - someone loses their job or has a loss in the family, their mental health declines, they struggle to cope, they end up homeless, their mental health gets worse and they end up with complex and deeply entrenched problems.

It's why homelessness prevention is so crucial and why the Universal Credit waiting period is such a disastrous mistake. Preventing someone from becoming homeless is vastly cheaper than dealing with the consequences. One of the few sensible things that the government has done recently is No Second Night Out - aggressively targeting people who have just started rough sleeping and getting them re-housed as a matter of priority.
>> No. 59281 Billbob
4th January 2018
Thursday 6:09 pm
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In Cardiff, the amount of 'homeless' has increased a shocking amount in the last 2 years. This article says that in 2017 the amount of homeless sleepers had doubled. I used to be quite liberal about them, but with experience they have shown themselves to be scum. I've seen them injecting themselves in broad daylight under bridges and on very busy roads, I've seen numerous fights and all sorts of anti social scenes. It makes the city centre a quite intimidating looking place. On reading what the police have reported - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/people-travelling-cardiff-city-centre-13978846 - these are people travelling here to beg and then going home at night. I'm not saying every single homeless person is like this, but they are making it very hard for people to sympathise here.
>> No. 59282 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 6:49 pm
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>>59279
>TO BE ON THE STREETS BECAUSE YOU'RE SO LAZY YOU CAN'T EVEN BE ARSED TO SUSTAIN YOURSELF - HOW IS THAT ANYTHING OTHER THAN A MENTAL DEFICIENCY?

I'm not sure you've quite thought out where you're going with this line of thinking.

>>59281
The same thing has happened to Sheffield and only looks to get worse because the students keep feeding them. I didn't used to mind them either, until they tried bothering me every fucking time I left the house for change or that time I noticed one of the shitheads had left a dirty needle on the pavement outside a kids playground.

I can only imagine how bad it must be for a family forced into temporary accommodation and being surrounded by them all day and night without even your own shitter.
>> No. 59283 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:17 pm
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>>59281

The services that used to keep these people off the streets have all been cut. The average local authority has seen a 26% budget cut since 2010. When you've got the choice between cutting a day centre for the homeless and essential care for elderly and disabled people, the day centre gets cut every time.

On top of that, housing benefit changes have badly affected homeless hostels and the benefits sanction regime has vastly increased the number of destitute people.

The last Labour government was fairly mediocre at actually reducing poverty, but it was very good at keeping it out of sight. The people we stuck on incapacity benefit and warehoused in tower blocks are now flooding onto the streets, because the Tories aren't willing to spend what it costs to sweep the underclass under the carpet.
>> No. 59284 Paedofag
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:20 pm
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>>59282
>AND ONLY LOOKS TO GET WORSE BECAUSE THE STUDENTS KEEP FEEDING THEM

When my friend started university in Manchester, we're talking just over a decade ago here, the tramps used to approach students outside takeaways, pinch one of their chips, lick it and throw it back into the box so the students wouldn't want to eat it anymore and the tramps could have it all to themselves.

Most street dwellers are fucking scum.
>> No. 59285 YubYub
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:22 pm
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>>59280
>ALSO, BEING HOMELESS IS TERRIBLE FOR YOUR MENTAL HEALTH.

This is what I meant by the generalisation earlier in the thread - I doubt there are very many happy, healthy balanced homeless people.
>> No. 59286 Are Moaty
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:35 pm
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>>59279
>OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT SAYING EVERY HOMELESS PERSON IS MENTAL, BUT I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF THEM (THROUGH SHELTER, LOCAL OUTREACH, AND FOOD BANKS, MOSTLY) AND A GREAT DEAL HAVE THE SAME STORY,

Only a minority of homeless are actually sleeping rough.

When people talk about rising homelessness the reality is that the majority of this is people who've been booted out by their landlord and can't find anywhere else to live so they get put in temporary accommodation.

What the bleeding hearts do is conflate this and make it sound like it's tens of thousands of them on the streets almost freezing to death. It's a bit like when they go on about child refugees and paint them all out to be little children when the reality is they're mainly in their early twenties and trying their luck for an easier ride.
>> No. 59287 Crabkiller
4th January 2018
Thursday 7:49 pm
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>>59286

All forms of homelessness have increased over the past decade. There has been a disproportionate increase in hidden homelessness, but rough sleeping has more than doubled. It's obvious just walking around town, but the DCLG's rough sleeper count confirms it - 134% since 2010. In the North West and the South East, the number of rough sleepers has tripled.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-people-live-on-the-streets
>> No. 59289 Ambulancelad
5th January 2018
Friday 2:47 am
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>>59246
THIS IS THE MOST SERIOUS THREAD IQ HAS EVER HAD.

I WISH TO DECLARE MY LOVE FOR THIS THREAD AND ALL ITS PARTICIPANTS
>> No. 59290 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 5:54 am
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>>59289
Ironically you'll find the most serious discussion on britfa.gs these days on /iq/. I reckon it's because they're less likely to descend into bickering and cunt-offs because it's already sort of expected there'll be a degree of shitposting.
>> No. 59291 R4GE
5th January 2018
Friday 7:43 am
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>>59287
>THERE HAS BEEN A DISPROPORTIONATE INCREASE IN HIDDEN HOMELESSNESS,

The graph in >>59262 indicates that there's fewer households forced into temporary accommodation now than in any year during 2000 to 2008.

The way homelessness is measured was changed in 2010, meaning you can't make true like-for-like comparisons for most metrics before this point, but the number in temporary accommodation for 2009/10 and 2010/11 is considerably lower than it was for most of the time Labour were in power.

It doesn't look like you can reasonably say with any degree of certainty that homelessness now is worse than it was at the turn of the millennium, especially once you factor in how much the population will have grown during this period.

It appears that 2010 was a disproportionately low base and any measurements of the increase since then will look exaggerated compared with the likely long-term trend, but what people really care about is being able to use the statistics to bash the Tories than actually caring about the homeless so the worse they look the more righteous they can feel.
>> No. 59292 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 10:15 am
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>>59286

There's definitely more than any graph will tell you. The numbers we get for rough sleepers (or true homeless if you like) are from local authorities quite literally driving about in a van counting people. I can tell you it's not a particularly accurate or reliable number. A large part of the guide from Homeless Link on providing these numbers is entitled "the difference between counts and estimates" or something to that effect.

Leeds, for example, has 80 homeless people, according to the district. 60 in temporary housing, 20 on the streets. This, somehow, does not count the charitable sheltered housing schemes. Even if it did, just because someone is registered at a place like that, it doesn't mean that they're actually there. It's not a suitable place for an addict, or someone whose mental condition has put them in their situation. We're talking about rooms with more beds in than a hostel, and minimal staffing. The fact is, many feel safer elsewhere. It's incredibly difficult to get a handle on numbers in situations like this, let alone the actual way to deal with the people.

That's not really an attempt to take away from your point, more add to it. Temporary housing is just that, and it doesn't always sustain. Addiction, mental health, a person unwilling or unable to even imagine they still have a place in society, even bloody-minded, twisted pride are all things that keep people on the streets, or, yes, in overcrowded shelters. It's sadly a problem that seems much deeper once you've seen it night after night yourself. Ask any city police officer what their morning shift is like, it's quite a lot of waking rough sleepers up from storefronts etc.

I haven't slept, so this post might be quite rambling. Apologies if it is.
>> No. 59293 Auntiefucker
5th January 2018
Friday 10:24 am
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>>59282

>I'M NOT SURE YOU'VE QUITE THOUGHT OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS LINE OF THINKING.

The point is, if you want to say that most, or some, or any homeless people are homeless because they're bone idle, lazy, degenerates, and there's nothing wrong with them, they just can't be arsed - If that was the case, if these people are the way they are because they simply can't be arsed - I would contend that level of 'not being arsed' is a mental problem. To say that street dwellers are there by choice is fairly absurd.

Professional beggars, that's another thing. That's an actual racket. More people than you'd imagine have figured out that wearing a shabby coat and being drunk in a town centre after the pubs kick out is a lucrative career.
>> No. 59294 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 12:42 pm
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>>59293
>MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU'D IMAGINE HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT WEARING A SHABBY COAT AND BEING DRUNK IN A TOWN CENTRE AFTER THE PUBS KICK OUT IS A LUCRATIVE CAREER.

Romanians?
>> No. 59295 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 3:49 pm
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>>59294

My experience of Romanians (and Poles and Hungarians) has been them working in loads of kitchens and outperforming most English lads - except in management positions, though I suspect that's more to do with them knowing that ladder isn't worth climbing much, if at all. They show up, work hard, then fuck off home with no whinging - it's great.

I don't say this to be contrarian or prove any sort of point, it's genuinely true and it's a bit fucking worrying. Brexit has shit us right up as an industry - far beyond the price of butter being unmanageable, if we lose even a quarter of our eastern european workers, you'd see a lot of restaurants up shit creek.
>> No. 59296 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 4:15 pm
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Lads, can you fuck off with this shitposting already? /Iq/ is for serious business only, like the state of that fucking bread in the OP image. Don't these homeless cunts shave or anything?
>> No. 59297 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 4:24 pm
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>>59296

I was 90% sure you typo'd beard but still had to scroll up to scan the OP image for loaves I didn't spot.
>> No. 59298 Samefag
5th January 2018
Friday 4:37 pm
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>>59293
>I WOULD CONTEND THAT LEVEL OF 'NOT BEING ARSED' IS A MENTAL PROBLEM. TO SAY THAT STREET DWELLERS ARE THERE BY CHOICE IS FAIRLY ABSURD.

And my point is once we look at it this way we're getting into the murky waters of whether someone who chooses not to participate in society correctly should be locked away in a mental institution in something reminiscent of the Soviet Union or the Poor Laws at their worst.

I'd also contend that while the mentally ill would certainly have greater difficulty keeping a roof over their head, diminished responsibility is not total loss of responsibility. It is the same as saying being a criminal is not your fault if you grew up poor despite, as far as we can tell, free-will existing and the majority of poor people not being criminals.

>>59296
>LIKE THE STATE OF THAT FUCKING BREAD IN THE OP IMAGE

Well, it's not like homeless people are known for getting much fanny...I think, honestly we knows. Those naive uni lasses you see chatting to them aren't after something more than a sense of smug middle class righteousnesses are they?
>> No. 59299 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 4:50 pm
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>>59295

Loads of other industries would say the same - agriculture, manufacturing, logistics, construction, hospitality, personal care. It's a cliche, but it's true - the Bulgmanians do all the jobs that we don't want to do, and we're in deep shit if they all get booted out.
>> No. 59300 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 5:01 pm
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>>59298

>AND MY POINT IS ONCE WE LOOK AT IT THIS WAY WE'RE GETTING INTO THE MURKY WATERS OF WHETHER SOMEONE WHO CHOOSES NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY CORRECTLY SHOULD BE LOCKED AWAY IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION IN SOMETHING REMINISCENT OF THE SOVIET UNION OR THE POOR LAWS AT THEIR WORST.


Not remotely.

If we treat chronic rough sleeping as being both a symptom and cause of mental illness, we can start to take more effective steps to prevent and reduce it. We can fund homelessness services to employ mental health nurses and clinical psychologists. We can end the shortage of beds in inpatient mental health care. We can build better connections between homelessness services, housing associations and community mental health teams.

We know that most long-term rough sleepers need substantial psychological and social care to get back into housing and employment, but that care simply isn't being provided. We don't recognise that it's actually much cheaper to give someone intensive support and rehabilitation in the short-term, rather than have them spend much of their life bouncing between hostels, A&E, prison and the street.

In my semi-professional opinion, homelessness is as much of a public health issue as a housing issue. The NHS needs to be deeply integrated into the way we care for homeless people. We know that being homeless drastically increases your risk of a huge range of physical and mental health problems, so getting and keeping people in secure housing is effectively preventative drugs. Our neglect of homeless people is actually costing us a fortune in the long run.
>> No. 59301 Billbob
5th January 2018
Friday 5:48 pm
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>>59298
>WELL, IT'S NOT LIKE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE KNOWN FOR GETTING MUCH FANNY

When I was 14 a group of tramps convinced a drunk lass I knew, same school year, to fuck herself with a lambrini bottle in the middle of town.

Tramps are always shooting up and fucking if they've got the chance. Lady tramps are always getting fucked, usually for money or from other tramps for drugs.

I bet if we legalised drugs and turned it into legal tender then tramps would be billionaires. They're always scoring drugs.

>>59299
>IT'S TRUE - THE BULGMANIANS DO ALL THE JOBS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO, AND WE'RE IN DEEP SHIT IF THEY ALL GET BOOTED OUT.

However did we cope the A10 countries joined the EU in 2004?

It's shifting baseline syndrome. It's what's seen as the new normal, but it wasn't always this way. Who knows, maybe employers would have to start paying people decent wages or actually training them up if they want to fill vacancies? The horror.
>> No. 59306 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 6:21 pm
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>>59301

>IT'S SHIFTING BASELINE SYNDROME. IT'S WHAT'S SEEN AS THE NEW NORMAL, BUT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY.

In 2004 there were around 48,000 restaurants and mobile catering operations in the UK. Today there are 86,000.

I have a very vested interest in higher paid catering staff, but the brutal reality is restaurants don't make profit when you pay line cooks a proper wage. It's already bad, and that job market is somewhat sustained by foreign workers who can take advantage of a strong(ish) pound, but it's also keeping a roof over the head of plenty of British people too. I do not think that will continue, unless food prices stabilise and/or we refocus on local produce (a man can dream) or people in general have more money to spend eating out.
>> No. 59307 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 6:25 pm
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>>59306

I'd just like to add that I think it's absolutely ridiculous that £10 an hour is considered a jackpot to a skilled, trained, qualified line chef outside of London. If Brexit does manage to push the wages up to a more acceptable level, I will 3D print a buttplug in the shape of Boris Johnson and wear it for a week.
>> No. 59310 Searchfag
5th January 2018
Friday 6:53 pm
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>>59301

> When I was 14 a group of tramps convinced a drunk lass I knew, same school year, to fuck herself with a lambrini bottle in the middle of town.

with the neck or the base lad? the level of respect i have for these tramps rests on this bit of information.
>> No. 59312 R4GE
5th January 2018
Friday 6:56 pm
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>>59306
>IN 2004 THERE WERE AROUND 48,000 RESTAURANTS AND MOBILE CATERING OPERATIONS IN THE UK. TODAY THERE ARE 86,000.

How many of these are proper establishments and how many of these are those forsaken takeaways which serve curry, kebabs, fried chicken, pizza and fish & chips all under one roof which are really just money laundering fronts.

I seem to recall in the Brexit campaign curryhouses were getting excited because they thought it would mean they'd be able to import more people from the Indian subcontinent (who they could exploit with poverty wages and terrible working conditions, safe in the knowledge they'd put up with it due to the threat of deportation otherwise - Training someone up from this country, paying decent wages and giving decent employment conditions was unthinkable for them).
>> No. 59313 Ambulancelad
5th January 2018
Friday 7:03 pm
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>>59310
The neck. The lass was a complete slag, but there's no way she'd have been able to accommodate the base end of a lambrini bottle. I remember it was about two-thirds drunk and the remainder kept sloshing about as she did it; the top was off.

Anyway, I've just remembered that the tramps paid her £10 for the privilege. What the fuck are tramps doing with so much money that they can casually fritter away a tenner on watching a live underage sex act? Perhaps that's why they have no money left.
>> No. 59315 Are Moaty
5th January 2018
Friday 7:04 pm
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>>59313
Does seem like a lot of money to pay for it.
>> No. 59317 Ambulancelad
5th January 2018
Friday 7:08 pm
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>>59313

> there's no way she'd have been able to accommodate the base end of a lambrini bottle

I've seen videos on the internet wot disagree with you not involving underage slags and tramps though, admittedly
>> No. 59318 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 7:12 pm
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>>59313

Are you sure you haven't gotten tramps and stock brokers mixed up?
>> No. 59319 YubYub
5th January 2018
Friday 7:19 pm
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>>59318

I've never seen a stockbroker within a hundred yards of anything to do with lambrini
>> No. 59321 Anonymous
5th January 2018
Friday 7:33 pm
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>>59319
They were the stars of their 2005 advertising campaign.

>The makers of the sparkling perry wine Lambrini have been told to make their adverts less sexy.

>The drink, made by Knowsley company Halewood International, was told to tone down its advert to avoid linking women's boozing and sexual success. Men who star in its adverts should be "balding" and "paunchy" rather than "attractive and desirable", according to the Advertising Standards Authority.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4722147.stm

Around 90% of men in financial services are in various stages of balding.
>> No. 59329 Auntiefucker
5th January 2018
Friday 9:13 pm
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>>59299
Maybe they can start paying better and maybe I will even get off the dole for something meaningful. The Bulgamanians can work for shit pay and buy houses back home, fuck off there and start business in their home countries. What's the point of a shit pay in a shit country meant for the rich?

None.
>> No. 59331 Paedofag
5th January 2018
Friday 9:37 pm
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>>59329
I dunno, lad. If someone told me I could go and do a menial job in somewhere like Liechtenstein for quadruple what I'm earning at the minute which meant that, even accounting for the more expensive standard of living, I'd save up enough to buy a mansion back in blighty I'd be off like a shot.
>> No. 59332 Searchfag
5th January 2018
Friday 9:44 pm
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>>59329

You're part of the problem mate. Do you want a job as a kitchen porter? You can have one right now for £8 an hour. But you won't take it because despite your protestations the bulgamanian will do it happily and send half his wage home every month, while you'll just whinge that washing plates isn't meaningful enough for you.
>> No. 59333 Auntiefucker
5th January 2018
Friday 10:09 pm
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>>59332
Mate, it's purpose that drives me. If I were Bulgarian, I would go to the UK and work for shitloads of money (compared to Bulgarian money), send money home, buy a fucking house, a car, a couple of cafes, an internet cafe, a garage, and then fucking come back and run my businesses.

I'm here now, what the hell will £8/hr do for me? What is the purpose? "Saving" isn't an Anglo thing anymore, we are all fueled by debt. I can't save for anything meaningful. There isn't any purpose, so I might as well be on the dole and spend my time on obscure imageboards.

Ask yourself why Bulgamanians work in those conditions and for that kind of pay? They have something to work towards. I don't.
>> No. 59334 Searchfag
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:14 am
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>>59333

>IT'S PURPOSE THAT DRIVES ME

There's a chronic shortage of workers in health and social care, social work and many related professions. If your definition of "purpose" is making loads of money, then get an engineering degree or learn a trade.
>> No. 59335 Are Moaty
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:31 am
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>>59334
I already have a 3rd class engineering degree.
>> No. 59337 Samefag
6th January 2018
Saturday 12:21 pm
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>>59335

I think it's absolutely your fault you're not working then lad.
>> No. 59338 Billbob
6th January 2018
Saturday 12:30 pm
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>>59333

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_HupY6pkk
>> No. 59339 Samefag
6th January 2018
Saturday 1:02 pm
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>>59333
>IT'S PURPOSE THAT DRIVES ME

Purpose is a very good thing to be driven by.
>> No. 59342 Billbob
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:27 pm
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>>59338
Ha! Impressive. I have to agree here with Smith. Sadly my purpose isn't there. Maybe if I were brown and had to feed all my relatives in a shithole country, I'd open a corner shop and work 16 hours a day.
>> No. 59343 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 3:48 pm
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>>59342

I think you might be confusing lack of purpose with being a lazy bastard.
>> No. 59344 Crabkiller
6th January 2018
Saturday 4:21 pm
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>>59342

So forging a career and furnishing your own life isn't enough purpose? Lost cause.
>> No. 59345 Ambulancelad
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:01 pm
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>>59344
You don't need a job to have a comfortable life these days.

Free house. Buy a huge TV from BrightHouse and then get Netflix and a Kodi box so you can watch whatever you want. If you've got a house, a TV, a computer and internet access then you're pretty much golden.
>> No. 59348 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:12 pm
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>>59345

There's more to life than Kodi and Pornhub.
>> No. 59349 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:21 pm
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>>59348
If I didn't have any commitments I'm pretty sure I could live quite a happy life holed up with my book collection, playing computer games in my pants and watching things like it's always sunny on Netflix.

I mean, I'd have to give up things like my car but when you're taking it easy and time loses all meaning and no longer constrains you then there's no issue with slowing down and using the bus instead.
>> No. 59350 Samefag
6th January 2018
Saturday 5:41 pm
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I think I'd be happier to do a menial job if I was doing it whilst travelling and at least absorbing a different culture at the same time.
>> No. 59354 Are Moaty
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:06 pm
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>>59345

I'd probably enjoy that too but I'd not call it a purpose.
>> No. 59355 Crabkiller
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:22 pm
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>>59344
It was my birthday yesterday. I'm 30 with no commitments, so I do okay with internet, mum's home, and computer games. Obviously it would be a different story if it meant that I would have to work to survive, or help my relatives and family, etc. As it stands, there is no point working for £8/hr in a kitchen.

The one thing I did wrong before I left uni was not doing a year in industry, because let's face it, nobody would be interested in uni grad with a shit degree and no experience. I suppose the one thing that I would want is to do a Master's, but it costs £10k, so I can't be asked to head into debt and work away trying to pay it back.

I'll see how long I can last the way I am now. Perhaps I can find purpose either through hardships down the line or even an opportunity.
>> No. 59356 Paedofag
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:28 pm
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>>59355

How about apprenticeships? The pay is shit but it'll get you the experience.

I'm in a surprisingly similar boat to you, only difference is I've admittedly had a fairly successful career this far, it's just shit and I want out of it, so I'm sacrificing a lot to try that.
>> No. 59357 Are Moaty
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:32 pm
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>>59350

That's very much an option.
>> No. 59359 Crabkiller
6th January 2018
Saturday 6:39 pm
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>>59354
What's the point in life? Happiness and fulfilment.

You can live a fulfilled life whilst being unemployed. You can expand your knowledge. You can undertake personal projects and indulge in hobbies. You can volunteer and give back to society.

What does a job get you? Ultimately it gets you convenience. However the primary reason you require this is because you are time poor. You are a slave to time. You need to make the most of it because it is limited through spending so much of your waking time at work.
>> No. 59360 R4GE
6th January 2018
Saturday 7:37 pm
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>>59359

We're not talking about happiness and fulfilment, though, we're talking about purpose, which this chap is saying he needs but cannot find.

You can have purpose (or indeed happiness and fulfilment) without a job, but I don't think you can have purpose while sat on your arse watching telly all day, as the post I replied to had described.
>> No. 59363 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 8:02 pm
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>>59360
What about watching telly four days a week and doing something more productive on the other three?
>> No. 59364 Anonymous
6th January 2018
Saturday 8:22 pm
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>>59363

Great movie.
>> No. 59554 R4GE
17th January 2018
Wednesday 6:55 pm
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>Should you give homeless people money? Absolutely

>The people I met who took class A drugs had very little choice.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/17/should-give-homeless-people-money-gloucester-council-ad

Typical fucking Grauniad. Subsidise homeless people's drug habits, despite it not being in their best long-term interests, because it's a right-on thing to do.
>> No. 59557 Paedofag
17th January 2018
Wednesday 8:17 pm
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>>59554
>The people I met who took class A drugs had very little choice.
Is "not take class A drugs" not an option then?

Also, I can't be bothered to give it a click, so how far in do they mention the book they're almost certainly trying to sell?
>> No. 59558 Billbob
17th January 2018
Wednesday 8:28 pm
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>>59557
During the weeks I spent listening to and recording homeless people in London – first-hand accounts of their lives are in my book Four Feet Under

- Tamsen Courtenay is the author of Four Feet Under (Unbound), a collection of 30 stories of homeless people in their own words

>> No. 59621 YubYub
20th January 2018
Saturday 11:20 am
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>>>59554
You're a of a right-old moron yourself if you don't understand the argument behind it. The alternative is they die or turn to crime. Are those in their best long-term interests?
>> No. 59622 Moralfag
20th January 2018
Saturday 11:34 am
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>>59621
>THE ALTERNATIVE IS THEY Die

Are homeless druggies immortal? Everyone dies, lad.
>> No. 59623 Paedofag
20th January 2018
Saturday 12:10 pm
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>>59622
There's that moron thing we talked about again.
>> No. 59624 Are Moaty
20th January 2018
Saturday 12:25 pm
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>>59623
It's not nice to call tramps morons; there's many reasons they've ended up on the streets.
>> No. 59638 Crabkiller
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 4:59 pm
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*Holderness Road street begging* Please be aware that the 3 males who are regularly seen on Holderness Road asking for spare change are not homeless and one of the males regularly earns over £100 a day. If you are asked for money please call 101 and report it to us. #7783

https://twitter.com/HP_HullEast/status/955431268321300480?

Imagine getting £100+ a day from begging. If you did that every day that's £36,500 a year tax free - you'd need to be earning a £50,000 salary to end up with that net. I bet he's got a free home through benefits and everything, too.
>> No. 59640 Auntiefucker
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 6:59 pm
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>>59638

HOW DO THEY KNOW HE EARNS THAT MUCH A DAY? WHO'S COUNTING?

I'M ALWAYS SCEPTICAL OF THE FIGURES PEOPLE COME OUT WITH FOR PROFESSIONAL BEGGARS, PURELY JUST BECAUSE I THINK IF IT WAS THAT LUCRATIVE, MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE DOING IT, RIGHT? I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A GO, TO BE HONEST.

EVEN IF YOU MADE FIFTY QUID OVER EIGHT HOURS THAT'S ABOUT MINIMUM WAGE, AND TO BE HONEST IF YOU SNUCK AN EARBUD IN UNDER YOUR HAT YOU COULD JUST SIT AND LISTEN TO MUSIC OR AUDIOBOOKS ALL DAY. I'D ENJOY THAT.
>> No. 59641 Crabkiller
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:08 pm
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>>59640
>I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A GO, TO BE HONEST.
Let us know how it works out, lad. I'm sure you won't get your head kicked in or arrested.
>> No. 59642 Anonymous
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:15 pm
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>>59641

Do people beat up beggars? It doesn't matter, I can run pretty fast. And I don't think you get arrested for it, a warning for first time offenders at most.
>> No. 59644 Samefag
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:29 pm
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>>59642
HOW HAVE YOU NOT SEEN A CLOCKWORK ORANGE?
>> No. 59645 Crabkiller
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:32 pm
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>>59640

"Homeless James" said "£50 on a bad day" at about 5:53 here and that was 2002 money.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8sSPnBFKxM

Speaking of whom, I never got the commenters saying how "lovely" he was. To me, he was like a creature who should be put out of his misery.
>> No. 59646 Anonymous
23rd January 2018
Tuesday 7:41 pm
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>>59641
I'm pretty sure if he got his head kicked in he'd get even more money afterwards as people would feel more guilty/sympathetic and hand over more dosh if he looked all beaten up.
>> No. 59654 Searchfag
24th January 2018
Wednesday 5:33 pm
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>>59645
https://twitter.com/rustyrockets/status/403494935984631808?lang=en
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