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>> No. 3936 Anonymous
27th October 2016
Thursday 1:45 pm
3936 Fat bastard weight loss thread
Get in here fatlads.

I've made an effort to properly lose weight but have stalled in the last 2 months - and it's starting to creep up. I used to lift weights 3x/week and control the diet, but I can't lift for a while until some medical stuff gets sorted. This has taken a bit of a hit on my progress - or more likely,ive used it an excuse to slack.

What's your story?

P.s. I track calories and weight using my fitness pal.
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>> No. 4835 Anonymous
1st September 2019
Sunday 7:54 pm
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Addendum to this post: reading more closely I don't know if you're exaggerating or if you're genuinely a Very Big Lad, which would probably change the sort of exercise you can do to start with.

That said, I'll preach the virtues of resistance training (including machines and the like) until my dying breath, one of the major benefits being an "eating with purpose" mentality and generally getting the metabolism back on track.
>> No. 4836 Anonymous
1st September 2019
Sunday 8:13 pm
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> do you do any strenuous physical activity?
I have EDS (Hypermobility Type), which means anything load-bearing is not really an option. I weighed as much as I do now a few years ago, but one of the things that helped was cardio. Cardio, especially non-load bearing (so essentially bike and cross-trainer). I enjoy playing squash, but even when I can find people to play with, the impact on my knees puts me out of doing anything else other than walking for a few days.

> I don't know if you're exaggerating or if you're genuinely a Very Big Lad

BMI is 39. I am somewhat exaggerating; I'm still mobile and able to do pretty much everything, but I overflow train seats, some restaurant seating is painful, finding trousers that will go around my thighs is very difficult, and struggle to get between smallish gaps.

I lost the weight before, but I have no idea how I had the strength of will to do it. I cannot stay at it.
>> No. 4837 Anonymous
1st September 2019
Sunday 10:16 pm
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I know precisely fuck all about EDS so I can't speak with any authority on this, but I can speculate that a good PT (not just any old trainer but an experienced physiotherapist) who's willing to learn and work with you could make a world of difference.

Another thought of mine is maybe to ask what's changed in your circumstances that led you to drop the cardio? Additional stresses, time constraints, something else?

On a related note: if time was ever an issue for you in getting your cardio in, there's some pretty strong research out there showing you can drop a lot of weight and get fitter with an exercise bike with much shorter sessions if you gradually build yourself up to interval training.
>> No. 4838 Anonymous
1st September 2019
Sunday 11:34 pm
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Unfortunately, I can't afford anything like that.

>what's changed in your circumstances that led you to drop the cardio?

September 14th, 2016. A Very Bad Day, and after that point I no longer really lost weight. I maintained for a couple of years, with a slow creep up (about 10kg in two years), but have put on nearly 30 this year. I don't really know what changed other than I hate myself more than usual.


Not really an issue; I have a gym 10 minutes walk from where I live. When I did it back in the day, it was sort of 20/10/10 minute split between x-trainer, recumbent bike and standard bike. I did it most days and it worked. It's consistency, though. I can't do it. I can't keep it going.
>> No. 4839 Anonymous
2nd September 2019
Monday 6:29 am
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Is physiotherapy another one of those NHS services that's just non-existant for most people in terms of accessibility? I'd have thought with EDS and a sincere desire to lose weight that a GP would be very happy to refer you for free or subsidised sessions.
>> No. 4841 Anonymous
2nd September 2019
Monday 7:09 am
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Lad, I'd encourage you to think long term. You might feel fat and helpless but you're not.

It sounds like your biggest problem is insulin spikes and crashes from high-sugar foods (breads, sausage rolls, etc.) When your insulin crashes you feel shit, but it's also mostly why people are fat and hungry. You can eat as much as you want, it just has to be mostly vegetables. 2000 calories as mostly vegetables (by sheer volume of food) will leave nearly anyone full.

Again, often with dieting people make huge unsustainable choices- likely where you've had your successes in the past. If I were you, I'd slowly switch to a good whole food diet.

If the gym is too much for your right now, just add a bit of walking into your daily routine. As you, I wouldn't chuck myself into hour long gym visits because it might not last- that's not your fault, that's just how it is. Seldom can we handle such huge changes in lifestyle.

I think as well it's important for you to look at it properly. You're not sacrificing anything here: can you truly remember a divine sausage roll? Perhaps you can, but it's important to focus on the fact that you'll be looking and feeling much better. To round it off into a cliche thing- it's not "how will I cope without constantly shovelling big macs down my throat" to "how am I going to live feeling so much better"
>> No. 4842 Anonymous
2nd September 2019
Monday 11:05 am
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A lot of what you're saying echoes my own fatlad story.

It took me a long time to realise that I'm just not the type of person who can 'willpower' myself into doing something, and I'm not the sort of person who can do moderation. I can too easily convince myself that the two pizzas tonight will somehow launch me into a new diet tomorrow, and do the same the next day, and the next, etc until I've effectively forgotten that I want to lose weight for another week or so.

The inability to moderate is the easy bit, if you start thinking of food as addiction, which it definitely is for me. You can't just have 'a little bit' of crack, so similarly I stopped allowing myself to have 'just one' bag of crisps or whatever, because it's never, ever just one bag. One cheat is basically failure in my mind and an easy way to convince myself the attempt at a diet is over, and that's not even getting into the actual chemical addictive properties of high carb/fat snack foods.

So my method, as shaky as it was, was to wait for one of those rare moments of actual determined focus on losing weight (I suspect you're in one now too) and jump on it. Try to eat well, 'proper food', but cut out junk entirely. Eat as much as I can for the first week or two, as long as it's whole food, or at least not crisps, sweets, and takeaways. Then as I get used to that, I'd start counting the calories. It's all about getting into a routine, and being honest with yourself that the first couple of weeks will be hell and you'll feel fucking useless and powerless, but you're definitely not. You can definitely eat properly for a day, then two days, then three, then a week, then a month.

I also found improving my mental state and general living helped. Apparently people who exercise regularly crave fewer junk foods, and I find that to be true - even just purposely walking once a day puts me in a fitness mindset and I find it easier to resist my trigger foods. Keeping my house tidy, keeping on top of errands and chores, these were all things I wasn't doing while sitting on my arse eating 5000 calories so when I started doing them, my whole mindset slowly and subtley changed. I felt less like a piece of shit who deserved to wallow, and more like a normal person who happened to have put on a load of weight, and I think, even just typing it now, I realise that's the key to it for me. Whenever I've felt worthless, useless, pointless, it's oh so easy to allow yourself to abuse your body, because why the fuck not?

I'm sorry for the rambling, but I know exactly where you're coming from. My only practical advice would be to take one day at a time, and try to think about what might actually make you accountable. For me it was simply proving that I could fight my own shitty brain, it might be something else for you, but like the otherlad says, long term thinking is needed.
>> No. 4843 Anonymous
2nd September 2019
Monday 1:17 pm
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> Keeping my house tidy, keeping on top of errands and chores, these were all things I wasn't doing while sitting on my arse eating 5000 calories so when I started doing them, my whole mindset slowly and subtley changed.

This worked for me too somehow, despite for a bit different situation.
Regarding being a lard arse back in the day, I did will-power myself out of it. Mostly by cutting out junk food entirely, my only sort of exercise at that time was walking.
Sage because I didn't have a BMI of 39, so can't really advise you in any way, mate.
>> No. 4844 Anonymous
8th September 2019
Sunday 11:37 am
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>wait for one of those rare moments of actual determined focus on losing weight

Unfortunately I can never make it past the two week mark. I think that's the point where you can really keep the habit up, but I always slip after a few days. I think that's the worst thing - I spend hours a day intensely hating myself for how much of a disgusting fat cunt I let myself once again become, but somehow cannot channel that into, well, losing weight.
>> No. 4845 Anonymous
8th September 2019
Sunday 2:50 pm
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Different lad here, feel a bit apprehensive giving this advice as I'm not sure it's the right thing, but when I need to focus on a goal I often set my environment up so that the only real outlet I have is working towards that end.

When I noticed computer games were becoming a timesink from real life activities, I sold my consoles. When I realised I'd get drunk on my own as a way to cope with anxiety, I stopped buying alcohol to keep in the house. When I noticed I was getting frustrated and developing nervous tics, I placed trainers and kit next to the door so I could go to the gym immediately.

Don't know how well this would work for your compliance problem, but I think there's a lot to be said for structuring your choices in such a way that you have only a few good options.
>> No. 4846 Anonymous
8th September 2019
Sunday 10:46 pm
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Do you think you could set yourself a challenge of sorts? Like, go veggie for a month, or something like that. Changing your diet, but also deciding to just try to eat differently than you usually do, not necessarily better than you usually do, just different - might be enough to trick yourself into getting into a new habit?

I realise it's hard, but the more you resign yourself to never being able to hack it, you truly never will. You've done it before, you objectively can do it again.
>> No. 4881 Anonymous
18th December 2019
Wednesday 2:23 pm
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I'm now fat enough that i can't sit comfortably. I should probably just sow my fat fucking mouth shut. I weighed about 30kg less a year ago. Assuming 7000 excess calories per kg, that's a that's a total of 210,000 excess calories or 500 a day. Disgusting. I can barely look at myself. But hating yourself thin doesn't work, so I'm stuck.
>> No. 4882 Anonymous
18th December 2019
Wednesday 6:52 pm
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You ain't stuck lad, you just need to move a bit more and eat better. Note that I said eat better and not less.

Most of the fatties I know eat a lot of processed sugary* stuff (note that rice and white bread count as sugary) which leads to their blood sugar going up and down, creating 'false' hunger. Then you're in the mindset of sacrifice (giving up all those tasty big macs) and having to eat one dry ryvita a day, almost doomed to fail. It's quite similar to the trap that smokers fall into.

The point? 2,500 calories of carrots is very different (particularly in terms of volume) to 2500 calories of big macs; sure- you need to eat a deficit to lose weight, but what you eat makes that process heaven or hell. I don't think there's a person alive that could manage 2,500 calories worth of carrots in day, you'd probably feel sick after about 1,000 calories of them. Additionally, a lot of 'diet' foods tend to be quite bland-yet-sugary carbs.

Things I found easy were: no fizzy drinks or booze. One thing that helped me massively is eating a huge breakfast of oats with whole milk, fruit and nuts. I cook it into two portions and have it once at 6 and again at about 10. Oats don't fuck around, they keep you full and metabolise nice and slowly. I'd live on the damned stuff if I could (I can, I'm just not doing it).

For me, once I understood that the problem was more about things that 'sugar quickly' (i.e. not just cakes but breads and rice too) than about fat, my life got a lot easier and I found my weight easier to control.

*whole fruits are okay because the fibre helps dampen the effect on blood sugar, but fruit juices lack fibre.
>> No. 4983 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 8:07 am
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Morning, chaps. 5:2ing it here, and it's proving weirdly easy. Obviously don't know if it's being successful yet(but it's hard to see why it wouldn't).
It's a thousand times easier just having fasting days than 'just eat less you fat knacker', as I'm not constantly ravenous.
Considering 4:3ing because why not.
Why not?
>> No. 4984 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 2:02 pm
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2:5 rules even better - it’s amazing how quickly you get used to 800 calories.
>> No. 4988 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 8:01 pm
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Just finished 3 sets of 8 from the top row of this chart (minus pullups, i don't have a bar). Most were piss easy, but knowing that they would be is what made me actually consider doing them. It's a little sweat i wouldn't have produced otherwise, so all is good.

What do you think of these excersises? Missing any muscle groups?
>> No. 4990 Anonymous
22nd January 2020
Wednesday 4:59 pm
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>3 sets

try 10
>> No. 4992 Anonymous
22nd January 2020
Wednesday 5:05 pm
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>> No. 4994 Anonymous
22nd January 2020
Wednesday 9:43 pm
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I think because the top row are so easy they barely break a sweat.

The thing is, i find it very difficult to remain interested in performing a large number of easy exercises. 3 sets of 4-8, like the image suggests, is a great number to simply 'pick up and go' - There's no significant time commitment, yet you still feel it in your muscles when you're working from the upper limits of your strength.
I managed to pull a muscle or ligament while performing the 'Bulgarian split squats' for example, but it felt great and my legs got a good workout. So too did my arms during the 'pike pushups', and i can feel my abdomen and sides ache a little from the planks.

Exercise i wouldn'ty have got, so i'm happy.
>> No. 4995 Anonymous
22nd January 2020
Wednesday 11:53 pm
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Try it and feel the difference. You need to fatigue the muscle to stimulate growth. The muscle cells will grow bigger to store more energy to get you through the workout.
>> No. 5030 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 11:24 pm
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Fucks sake I just bought a Wattbike.
>> No. 5031 Anonymous
1st February 2020
Saturday 11:29 pm
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>> No. 5034 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 2:30 pm
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Yeah but I am also really really tempted by one of these electric road bikes.
>> No. 5035 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 2:40 pm
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Get a proper road bike and you too could have the magnificent physique of an elite athlete.
>> No. 5036 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 3:23 pm
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>>5031 >>5034 >>5035
Recreationally inhaling car exhaust fumes is not proper cycling.
>> No. 5037 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 3:26 pm
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That's you, that is.
>> No. 5038 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 3:43 pm
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Pretty sure you'd be the one falling off at the hint of any bumps.
>> No. 5039 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 4:43 pm
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I ride on these things that were especially designed to be good for cycling on; I believe they're called "roads".

>> No. 5040 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 5:07 pm
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Face it mate: you're the type of person to go bowling with the gutters up.
>> No. 5041 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 5:19 pm
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Your wife left you because she kept finding dirty sprockets in the bath and you had "XTR" engraved on your wedding ring.
>> No. 5042 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 7:31 pm
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Road cycling is so much more dangerous than trail riding or proper MTB.

Anyway, you're all puffs.
>> No. 5043 Anonymous
2nd February 2020
Sunday 7:37 pm
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>> No. 5044 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 10:22 pm
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All roadies are bumders and need to learn how to ride properly.

>> No. 5045 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 11:27 pm
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That fat lump is out of breath going downhill and he didn't even have the decency to ride up. Also, he wouldn't last five minutes in the pro peloton without causing a giant pileup.

>> No. 5046 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 11:30 pm
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>All roadies are bumders

Just because a gentleman likes to wear skintight lycra, shaves his legs, spends all day bent double and finishes off with a vigorous lower-body massage, you assume he prefers to ride up the back roads. How very dare you!
>> No. 5047 Anonymous
3rd February 2020
Monday 11:47 pm
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Imagine the weight savings with a carbon buttplug instead of a saddle.
>> No. 5048 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 8:37 am
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Only because he doesn't have a team of a dozen people to feed him banned drugs under the table.
>> No. 5049 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 8:40 am
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As a roadie you might be unfamiliar with the so-called GoPro effect. Some of what you see in that video that you might think you could handle would certainly scare you off if you saw it in person. Cameras only tell lies in MTB.
>> No. 5050 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 10:58 am
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I think most roadies have experienced a version of this, where you try to take a picture of an incline that you nearly lost a lung trying to climb, but it just looks almost entirely flat in the image.
>> No. 5051 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 6:01 pm
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I think you give them too much credit. I'm sure most of them shy away from uphill inclines.
Monkey Dust - Cyclists.mp4
>> No. 5052 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 8:11 pm
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>> No. 5053 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 9:05 pm
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>> No. 5054 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 9:51 pm
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go pro vs reality.jpg
>> No. 5055 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 9:57 pm
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Needs big balls to do that, something you roadies lack from all that pudendal nerve damage and taint chafing.
>> No. 5056 Anonymous
4th February 2020
Tuesday 11:41 pm
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I must admit, that video is absolutely fucking mental. Every bit of it. But particularly the tree and rock sections. And the speed along the ridges. And the jumps fuck me the jumps.

I am old and jealous but thrilled watching it.
>> No. 5057 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 12:24 am
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As someone who spent a lot of time in skate parks (albeit many, many years ago), the speed and the jumps don't bother me per se. All those fucking trees, though! And the generally uneven terrain and lack of visibility. Jesus. It'd be like riding a vert ramp with metal bars jutting up out of it for no good reason, only blindfolded.
>> No. 5058 Anonymous
5th February 2020
Wednesday 1:17 am
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Visibility is a lot better in real life, don't forget your eyeline will be 6 feet or more on a mountain bike.

Learning to react to the terrain is the whole point, of course.
>> No. 5059 Anonymous
9th February 2020
Sunday 3:46 pm
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the cyclists.jpg
As an impartial arbiter who has never held any interest in cycling, I can confirm that mountain biking looks like an exciting and challenging hobby for fun people while road cycling looks like an exercise in lycra-clad self-flagellation for office workers too dull to find the sort of girlfriend who'll perform all that genital torture they're secretly craving.
>> No. 5060 Anonymous
9th February 2020
Sunday 4:10 pm
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Nah m8. If you're reasonably fit, your bike is sorted and you've got a bit of sense, road cycling is gentle and almost effortless. You fall into a groove where your legs keep turning and the miles keep ticking over. It sounds bonkers, but you get to the point where you can go out for a 100 mile ride on a Sunday morning and still have loads of gas left in the tank.

Also roadie birds are much fitter than MTB birds.

>> No. 5061 Anonymous
9th February 2020
Sunday 4:27 pm
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Are jules does plenty of MTB too to be fair.

All the proper naughty ones also do track/crit cycling too mind. I'd list some names but it's a bit weird since I know quite a few of them.

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