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|>>|| No. 434032
I've no time for that lad - I'm too busy saving the climate.
|>>|| No. 434039
There's going to be a giant drone light show of a bulldog draped in a Union Jack defecating on the flag of the EU.
|>>|| No. 434040
Since TPTB won't even let us celebrate regaining our independence with a BIG BEN BONG, the Mrs and I will be digging out the old bubbler for a midnight toke.
|>>|| No. 434041
Got an Irish passport after the vote so as long as they don't go on a mad one and leave too, ruining my plan to retire in Croatia or Portugal, I don't really care.
|>>|| No. 434045
I voted remain.
You will eventually come to the realisation that that might have been a good idea.
|>>|| No. 434046
I imagine the reverse would be true if we had voted remain. Weathering hard times is tough and hard times will always come, it's easy to look back and try to lay blame where it doesn't exist rather than deal with the struggle of going forward.
|>>|| No. 434050
Leave could have been fine, if it had been a lot clearer and happened sooner, but the fact that it's dragged on for years and cost a shit ton of money and everything is still up in the air regarding travel, work and..Well, everything. I just can't see things being better than they were, or as good as they were. I suppose the people celebrating aren't the people who were working and doing business in the EU though.
|>>|| No. 434051
I'm hoping we'll set up a separate treaty with Spain so we can still send out old cunts over there to open Red Lion BnBs. I can't stand the thought of more curmudgeonly old Sun readers staying here.
|>>|| No. 434052
I won't be. I've no real issue with Brexit, but the course the country takes afterwards is looking likely to be one of supplication, cowardice and vapidity. Those who complain will be shouted down with empty rhetoric about how they're being negative or "doing the country down". I find the misty eyed speeches about a European community of nations naive when we are talking about national governments, but the ignorance of the Brexit-right is astounding and they will whore this nation to the USA, China and the Saudis while make-believing we're in a second Elizabethan era.
|>>|| No. 434053
On the other hand, seeing all the ruddy British OAPs lying in the sun on a beach in the Costas really kind of spoils the view oftentimes.
|>>|| No. 434056
Could you recommend somewhere? I'd like a destination with good beaches, spectacular natural scenery and a nice old town.
|>>|| No. 434066
>volcanic island with a varied range of microclimates
Hawaii should be nice. No language barrier there, at least once you get into that Murrikin Y'all.
|>>|| No. 434067
>but the fact that it's dragged on for years and cost a shit ton of money and everything is still up in the air regarding travel, work and..Well, everything
That was always going to be the way, regardless of what daft cunts on Twitter and Facebook say about "treasonous corrupt remoaners", because that's the reality of complex international relations.
|>>|| No. 434068
I'm going to dig out my old Woodman Casting X collection so I can spend the rest of the day watching Europe get fucked right up the arsehole, then at stroke of eleven I'll play land of hope and glory while saluting a photo of Are Nige and my Churchill "nodding dog" toy - the two most quintessentially British things known to Christendom.
|>>|| No. 434069
>known to Christendom
There was a woman on Jeremy Vine earlier today going on about how the EU is satanic and goes against Christian values.
|>>|| No. 434072
Granted, whatever comes now isn't going to be a bigger cluster arsefuck than what we've already been through the last three and a half years.
|>>|| No. 434073
I'm too tired to care and to top it off it's raining. Even if I wanted to leave the house everywhere is going to be wall to wall toryboys tonight.
|>>|| No. 434074
>Even if I wanted to leave the house everywhere is going to be wall to wall toryboys tonight
That sounds almost like Monty Python attempting a zombie movie.
|>>|| No. 434080
> unless she's turned 16 since last April
Statistically speaking that's a good bet. I'll take it.
|>>|| No. 434086
Somebody just texted me that he's in a pub where they're playing "Bye Bye Bye" by NSync.
|>>|| No. 434087
fuck this place.jpg
Doing anything I can to leave this fucking dump behind and never come back.
Family is ingerland for 10+ generations on both sides, so no hope of escape that way.
|>>|| No. 434088
I heard one too, but like all white people who hear off season fireworks I assumed it was Diwali.
|>>|| No. 434089
Australia's not going to be any better. You may as well go to the US, for all the good that'll do you.
|>>|| No. 434090
This is like getting a mortgage in principle and celebrating it like you paid it off already. Might go well, might not. Fingers crossed it goes well.
|>>|| No. 434092
In what sense? I'm an engineer, and the salaries there, even accounting for the higher living costs, are better than they are here. I know a few people who've already moved out there, and they aren't keen on moving back.
I am also in the process of applying for the Netherlands Search Year visa too, but I'm keeping as many options open to me as possible.
|>>|| No. 434093
In the sense that aside from having a government that seems keen on bringing about the Rapture, large parts of it are either running out of potable water, have already run out or are increasingly on fire. I can understand moving to New Zealand but not Aus.
|>>|| No. 434095
Been looking into New Zealand, there simply isn't the availability of jobs or visas.
Even if it's just temporary (ideally not), I want out of this shithole. Sure, Australia is also full of thick racists and is under the control of one of the most far-right governments seen in its history, but that's not my final goal for somewhere to live, merely a stop-gap and the fastest route out of here I can presently see. Again, NL search year is something I'm also in the process of applying for so that might yet be the way to go, but the problem is I don't speak Dutch, so I assume getting a job will be nigh-on impossible.
|>>|| No. 434096
From a very cursory look at the news, it seems that the more optimistic sorts are talking about freedom of movement as part of a trade deal between Britain and Australia.
How likely is such an arrangement between us and Australia or Canada and New Zealand? I don't have any qualifications and I'd love to be able to fuck off to one of those countries on a whim.
|>>|| No. 434097
>How likely is such an arrangement
I'm no political expert, but based on the amount of qualifications needed and hoops to jump through to get visas for any of those countries, I doubt it.
I have friends who have moved to each of those countries and none of them are easy. They expect you to be going over there with money and usable skills, and particularly in Australia, immigration is just as much a sore point as it is here. I can't imagine them opening the floodgates for useless poms.
I hope I'm wrong, though. I'd also like to fuck off over there.
|>>|| No. 434098
Canada have already told us to fuck off, and despite the obvious irony Australia doesn't want immigrants because they're "full".
New Zealand will be fine if you're Welsh, because it'll be just like home. Cold, wet, rugby mad and full of sheep.
|>>|| No. 434099
>Again, NL search year is something I'm also in the process of applying for so that might yet be the way to go, but the problem is I don't speak Dutch, so I assume getting a job will be nigh-on impossible.
Be sure to check the limitations regarding education. You'll need a postgrad degree from one of about 30 top UK universities. Also for most technical stuff the working language tends to be English, so it'll just be everything else in life you need to learn Dutch for.
|>>|| No. 434105
I have to disagree, and I'm confused when people say this.
Where you live has a huge impact on your quality of life. The industries present there, the jobs they offer, the housing available, the healthcare system, or lack of the above, are all tied to the social and political history of a place. That's not even going into the discussion of whether you feel you fit in culturally...
One caveat is that the city is sometimes more important than the country; there's often more variation within a country than between them.
Anyone serious about moving, I would encourage you to think strategically about what you want from life and how you picture things a few years down the road.
It's true that moving doesn't solve all your problems, but a move can be a big part of a greater plan at piecing together a good life. With about three years of serious planning and saving, I can say it worked out really well for myself personally.
|>>|| No. 434108
I think rushing to Oz is hasty. If it's only temporary why not go somewhere less first world? Parts of South or Central America, Africa, Asia? There are plenty of places where you'll be wanted even with a state school education simply by virtue of you being white or failing that, having a British accent.
|>>|| No. 434109
If I emigrated I'd want to live in a country where English is the main language.
- Ireland is more backwards than we are.
- I haven't met a South African that wasn't a complete cunt.
- Australia is like the Costas if all the Spaniards left and the English ex-pats took over.
- America isn't for me.
That leaves New Zealand and Canada. I'd rather just move to a different part of Britain if I didn't like where I lived, to be honest.
If I was to consider somewhere else in Europe than Switzerland would be near the top of the list, but it's too expensive and I'd soon grow tired of having to constantly watch out for stepping in dog shit or chewing gum and avoiding Romanian beggars.
|>>|| No. 434110
Find people who have a moan about leaving because they don't like Brexit really fucking annoying, I guarantee they'll still be here in a few years too.
What has suddenly changed so much that before you now can't hack it?
It's the typical reactionary bullshit, 'UK is going backwards so I'm going to move to a country that has even stricter immigration systems, is more white and less tolerant with less paid leave and worker's rights! Yes that includes Aus, NZ and Canada.
My other thing is I'm moving to NZ on a skilled visa. You can't just rock up unless you're a doctor or have some in demand skill. Even then, I have an employer who is on an approved list, willing to pay me the 50k+ minimum and there is STILL a huge amount of fucking work you have to do.
Find these people really grind my gears. I know lots of Europeans, Aussies, NZers in London and they're just grateful they can come here and experience all it has to offer.
I voted remain, too.
|>>|| No. 434111
And when I say 50k minimum that's GBP not NZD, I think you need an offer of at least 100k NZD.
|>>|| No. 434112
I grew up in Hull. I know quite a few people who would always moan about how much of a shithole it is. They're in their thirties and have never left but they still moan about it. I left years ago and would never dream of living back there again but I never spent the years beforehand constantly moaning about it.
People just like to moan, it's a British past time. It also seems to be a thing now that loads of people have turned into Chicken Licken and become ridiculously overdramatic whenever something happens.
|>>|| No. 434113
Sorry, you're right. Don't get me wrong, I also love a moan about Britain, and my shit home town I'd never be caught dead moving back to and all that, but ths is still a fucking amazing country despite so many of its huge ills.
My issue is with people who I think are the real entitled ones who think because they're a brit they're suddenly entitled to just pack up and turn up somewhere else because they don't like what's going on here.
My point is they're not, and if they're the kind of person to make reactionary kneejerks and just suddenly move elsewhere because they don't like it then they haven't really thought it through and probably don't realise quite how much effort is needed. I've been through the process and it's fucking hard work and I have some pretty niche skills.
The other thing is they get so upset about leaving the EU, but have no interest in moving to it. I'm not talking about Romania, or Croatia, or Hungary, but even places like France or Germany. It's always places outside the EU.
|>>|| No. 434114
>I grew up in Hull. I know quite a few people who would always moan about how much of a shithole it is.
We all do. We can't escape them.
|>>|| No. 434116
I read some drip whining in the comments on the Guardian the other day that he'd told his children that Brexit meant they'd never be able to live and work in Germany or France.
People need to get a grip. All they'd have to do is fill in a bit of paperwork. It's not the end of the world.
|>>|| No. 434119
>- Ireland is more backwards than we are.
They're still in the EU, and I hear they have electricity in most of the country now. Just avoid Munster if you want to stand a chance of understanding a word anyone says.
|>>|| No. 434120
I'm still a European. Go fuck yourselves you jingoistic wetwipes
|>>|| No. 434121
>What has suddenly changed so much that before you now can't hack it?
Nothing has changed. That's precisely the problem.
|>>|| No. 434122
I mean honestly - what does this achieve?
This is part of the problem, I voted remain but that doesn't mean I have to pretend I'll never see Europe again or my identity is taken away. Cappucinos still existed before the EU and they'll still exist in Brexit-Britain after.
This kind of hysteria is so tiring.
And so what will moving abroad fix that isn't here? It's a genuine question from somebody who spent much of their teen/uni years thinking moving away would magically solve all my problems.
Canada has terrible employment rights in comparison and is expensive as sin, NZ has the most out of control housing to salary in the world minus HK and Aus is just expensive as shit and much worse with immigration than us.
Anybody that upset about the thought of losing Europe can still, until December, go and live there as before. If it really meant that much people would be doing that instead of sitting at home moaning about how they'll eventually lose that right.
|>>|| No. 434123
>And so what will moving abroad fix that isn't here?
It gets the ungrateful racist shitcunt thickos out of one's life.
|>>|| No. 434124
And which countries are going to be more welcoming and tolerant than the UK? As in, could you name a few you'd like to move to and you think are free from having their share of racist bellends ?
|>>|| No. 434125
People I know who've gone to Scandinavia have been shocked by how overtly racist many people are there. The influx of Somalis and the like really seems to have finally worn out people's patience there.
|>>|| No. 434126
They're not quite as obnoxious as Brexitards in some very specific ways. For instance, in most places the racists won't be acting like an abusive boyfriend trying to gaslight the fuck out of you.
|>>|| No. 434127
Firstly, I would like to say I'm not the same ald that's been posting all night.
I have a master's in Engineering so that's not a huge issue.
I've always wanted to move away and have never felt like I fit in here, this is just the catalyst that's made me take it seriously.
|>>|| No. 434129
No... not the leftist paradise of Scandinavia!!
That pendulum is a funny old thing, eh?
|>>|| No. 434130
As usual, the boomers ruin everything. What a fucking awful generation.
|>>|| No. 434133
They'll all be dead soon. I couldn't help but chuckle at the 72-year old Ms Widdecombe assertion last night that there was a bright future ahead of us; yeah, when old bints like you are gone from the planet.
|>>|| No. 434139
In the 2019 general election people were more likely to vote Tory over Labour from age 39 onwards. I don't know if the crossover age was established for the EU Referendum but polling found every age group from 45 to 54 onwards was more likely to vote leave.
The most important thing to remember about the vote itself age-wise is that young people didn't bother to turn out to vote in large numbers.
|>>|| No. 434148
It's happening lads.
I've just been to Tesco's and they had no cucumbers. Soon we'll be experiencing empty shelves and starvation like you get in socialist countries.
|>>|| No. 434149
Most grown up people don't take pointers on politics from eugenicists who wanted to sterilise the poor all because he lacked basic literacy in the contemporaneous understanding of biology.
|>>|| No. 434152
Well I just popped into waitrose and they were flush with cucumbers - regular, salad (?), and organic.
|>>|| No. 434153
>and they were flush with cucumbers - regular, salad (?), and organic
That'll scare the cats.
|>>|| No. 434154
The true horror is that from now on our shelves will only be packed with healthy salads and overpriced organics. We laughed when Gove talked about cleaning up the nations plate but now look at us when Easter is just around the corner.
I've tried this before with cats and they've all just turned to look a me like I'm a dickhead. Is this all just an elaborate internet prank to ruin my street-cred?
|>>|| No. 434159
I tried with my cat when he was lolling on the carpet in summer. I got a still-wrapped cucumber out of the fridge and put it slightly behind him. He leaned back and used it as a pillow. I think he was enjoying the coolness.
|>>|| No. 434165
I have a feeling this is insincere, it reads like it was written by somebody who is uncomfortable with xenophobic rhetoric trying to sound like they are. Could be wrong, but it seems that way to me.
|>>|| No. 434167
That's the impression I got too, but I read this morning that the police are involved now, I think if it was insincere it wouldn't have actually been left somewhere to be reported.
But not many of the people I've met who really do think like this would think to type up a letter like this and print it out. Usually they do their 'campaigning' verbally.
|>>|| No. 434168
Be interesting to see if they can trace the device it was printed on.
|>>|| No. 434173
All modern printers put an invisible barcode type imprint on the paper, it's a unique serial number tied to the printer. Since most people probably bought their printer on Amazon with their real name and address and card it's a simple matter of asking the company for the corresponding printer and then asking the seller to release information on who bought it. The police have just unveiled a new facial recognition program in London to nothing more than muted grumbles, assume your privacy is gone and anything with a silicon chip can be traced back to you with ease.
>The EFF stated in 2015 that the documents that they previously received through the FOIA suggested that all major manufacturers of color laser printers entered a secret agreement with governments to ensure that the output of those printers is forensically traceable.
The only way around it apparent to me is second hand printers, but I don't imagine the kind of people who buy printers to be the kind of people who use second hand shops, especially when you can get a printer for less than £25 on Amazon these days. Given that this happened in a poor person flat I'd suggest that the culprit, if we can use such a word for a person who falls afoul of such a tacky law actually used a communal printer like in a library, in which case he's fucked.
|>>|| No. 434174
The main obstacles to them being found are that a) the police dealing with it may not know about this and b) they may not care enough to go through the rigmarole of following it up.
I always thought it was "rigamarole".
|>>|| No. 434176
While I hope they don't follow it up I find the idea of thousands of pounds of police money going on chasing the author of a poorly formatted flyer with a vaguely racist tone which doesn't actually say anything explicitly racist incredibly funny.
Even better if it was done on a second hand printer and the police have to go through dozens of hours of pawn shop footage to get a grainy image of the author then track his movements all the way home on the day across 30 different street and bus CCTV cameras.
Then the CPS decides not to prosecute.
|>>|| No. 434178
Really fascinating, I had no idea about this.
Regarding privacy, I have less concern for the printer technology than I do the facial recognition, for some reason. Probably because printing material is more of a deliberate action than just existing in a place where you're being recorded.
|>>|| No. 434180
I bet the dots in a for matrix are basically a fingerprint anyway.
We still use them at work. A few companies still make them and the roll fed ones are about four hundred quid each.
|>>|| No. 434182
You can get ancient ones off ebay for cheap if you still own a computer with a parallel port. I still remember the day I finally got BSD lpr/lpd to work with a dot matrix printer that someone had chucked out. Good times.
|>>|| No. 434183
You can see the individual pins in a dot matrix head with a jeweller's loupe. There just isn't enough resolution to hide a code in there. It's possibly possible that you could fingerprint the impression made by each dot based on the unique wear pattern on each pin, similarly to firing pin or bullet striation analysis in firearms forensics. Of course, you do make yourself rather identifiable by being to one weirdo who prints their death threats with a dot matrix.
|>>|| No. 434184
>I think if it was insincere it wouldn't have actually been left somewhere to be reported.
The general way of manufacturing this sort of outrage is to print the note, put it up, then immediately post a picture of it on the social network of your choice. You then leave it up for someone else to find and report on.
Typically these people don't know about the yellow dots, so it might still come back to bite them.
|>>|| No. 434188
Passive aggressive notes are cowardly. Sign them and face the concequences of your thoughts or fuck off. If you've a problem, deal with it or don't. Anything else is to harbour a stagnant resentment.
|>>|| No. 434191
It's all a question of how far you are prepared to go with your forensics.
It is known that the East German Stasi secret police very closely monitored commercially available typewriters, to the extent that a type sample of every typewriter in the country was at one point on file in the Stasi's database. The idea was that this would help easily identify political dissidents who would create pamphlets on a typewriter or other anti-government material.
BBC Four showed the award-winning film The Lives of Others a while ago, which is universally acclaimed for its historical accuracy, and in it, an East German dissident is given a typewriter that was smuggled in from West Germany via underground contacts, precisely because it wasn't in the Stasi's database, and that way, that dissident was able to write secret accounts of life in East Germany that would be passed on to West German media, without being found out.
|>>|| No. 434258
I'm not racist but; how does the continuing pilfering of the developing world solve actual issues in the teaching and nursing professions? At the very least, a sector with a "skills shortage" should try paying a decent wage first followed by asking why so many critical sectors of our economy have low productivity compared to our rivals.
>Points will also be awarded for speaking good English
Great time to be running a degree mill I guess.
|>>|| No. 434260
If there's one thing both parties have demonstrated, it's that there's no interest in upskilling workers in this country to equip them to perform the jobs we need doing. It's far cheaper and more efficient to just import labour. No matter what kind of game they talk about immigration, it's never ever going to be reduced by any significant amount by either party.
It's a depressing reality to face but honestly I don't think anyone running the show in this country is bothered about productivity or the like any more. Britain has been long since set aside for asset stripping, essentially. The banks have a comfortable time in London and that's basically the only thing that matters in the eyes of anyone who gets within sniffing range of power.
|>>|| No. 435082
I mean the NHS was doing fine with EU immigrant labour.
I thought Brexshitters voted to get rid of forrins, not import more of them?
|>>|| No. 435083
Immigrants aren't a homogeneous blob.
People have no issue with skilled staff coming to work for the NHS and fill shortages. This is what taking back control of our borders means; it has never meant getting net migration to zero or blocking migrants the country actually needs.
|>>|| No. 435084
>This is what taking back control of our borders means;
No, that's what it means to certain groups of people, other groups of people don't see the distinction.
|>>|| No. 435086
We have a substantial number of low-skilled vacancies that British people don't want to fill and are only marginally economically viable. Without ~70,000 seasonal agricultural workers, large parts of the British farming industry can't operate. You could argue that farmers should just pay better wages, but that only works if people are willing to pay more for a British punnet of strawberries picked by well-paid Brits than a Spanish punnet picked by Poles on minimum wage.
|>>|| No. 435087
Seasonal is the real boogieman there. If it's a minimum wage job nobody is going to switch to it for an economic benefit when it's available and nobody can survive on half a year's work at minimum wage.
There is a solution that doesn't involve unskilled immigration, simply subsidise mass construction of temporary accommodation around farmland, it only needs to happen once, the buildings are permanent while their use is not. Subsidise the mass transport of 70,000 workers from various cities up north with high unemployment to the farms in the south once at the start of the season and once at the end. Then add a special rule to the benefits system which allows the unemployed to avoid the many many failings of taking seasonal work before going back on benefits. This system is largely the same as it is now but it doesn't involve bringing more people here to fall in to the seasonal work/living 12 to a bedroom trap and offers some assistance to the people we rely on to pick our food.
You could argue that the British worker is fundamentally lazy and won't sign up to the Cropportunity Program but that's just untrue. If it's marketed correctly as a rewarding retreat a lot of doleites will jump at it. The habitually unemployed often bemoan the lack of purpose in their life, if this is seen as a genuinely positive program with health benefits and isn't laughed at like Enterprise or Apprenticeship schemes were people will be on board.
|>>|| No. 435089
Making that kind of work a tax-free bonus for the long term unemployed is the kind of fantastic idea that'll never be implemented because there are too many twonks out there that'd recoil at any suggestion of "helping out the workshy" or whatever.
Forcing prisoners to do it for 60p an hour would probably be more in line with our current government.
|>>|| No. 435096
Don't some Yank states make prisoners pay for their time behind bars? It's exactly the sort of blatantly fucking moronic idea I could see Sun readers getting behind over here. YER, WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR THEM SCUM TO HAVE THREE HOT MEALS A DAY WHEN THERES KIDS STARVIN? MEK EM PAY THERE OWN WAY.
brb, I'm off to write a quick pitch to Kier Starmer.
In all seriousness though, everyone who's ever owned a dog knows the carrot is far more effective than the stick. Why are we so determined not to ignore that principle when dealing with people.
|>>|| No. 435099
>YER, WHY SHOULD WE PAY FOR THEM SCUM TO HAVE THREE HOT MEALS A DAY WHEN THERES KIDS STARVIN? MEK EM PAY THERE OWN WAY.
In a country like the U.S. with a sizeable number of people who are white, free, and 21 and struggle to maintain a roof over their heads or three meals a day, providing free room and board for a segment of the population that has broken society's rules seems like an outrageous thing to do. Then again, it really reflects badly on a society, especially in a rich country as the U.S., when it cares fuck all about those that have failed but potentially have done nothing wrong their entire lives in the eyes of the law, and effectively affords them a poorer standard of living than that of a convicted felon. Smug white middle class people volunteering in soup kitchens and counting their blessings on the way back to their suburban four-bedroom homes isn't the same as having a government system in place that makes comprehensive efforts to help the poor and get them out of poverty.
So I guess then in Norway, a country with one of the highest baseline standards of living in the world and a rock solid social safety net, it doesn't seem like an outrageous thing to do to have a prison island that really looks more like a holiday resort.
|>>|| No. 435107
You do occasionally read about blokes in this country committing petty crimes almost immediately after being released from prison and claiming that they only did them because they don't want to sleep on the streets.
|>>|| No. 435117
>You do occasionally read about blokes in this country committing petty crimes almost immediately after being released from prison and claiming that they only did them because they don't want to sleep on the streets.
I think it's also because after five or more years in the clink, they're struggling to adapt to the outside world. In prison, your entire day is structured from beginning to end, you have no noteworthy say in it, everything is taken care of for you. And to then go back out and do all the things a responsible adult is supposed to do, like hold down a job, deal with authorities, and find a place to live, must seem daunting.
As far as I am aware though, there are enough programmes for released offenders to help them back on their feet. And it can be done. The most crucial thing, if I remember my prison pop psychology 101 correctly, is that these people are kept from reassociating with their old peers that led them to commit the crimes that they went to prison for. Your parole conditions can even spell that out as a requirement.
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