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>> No. 428949 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 5:19 pm
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New weekend thread: Highland Toffee edition.

How goes it, lads? What are you up to this weekend?
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>> No. 428953 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 5:44 pm
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Trying to work out if I can get a slightly smaller fridge freezer in the back of my older-model A4 saloon. Its back seats fold down, but I'm not sure yet it'll fit. It's about 55x60x130 cm.

I will be moving soon and the place that I am moving into has a complete kitchen with a fridge and oven/stove and all the works, but I still see no reason to sell a perfectly good ten year old Bosch fridge for a song. For the 75 quid or less that I can expect to get for it on eBay or Gumtree, I'd really much rather just hold on to it, and put it in my parents' basement. You'll never know when a fridge like that will come in handy again. And new ones like it sell for over £250.
>> No. 428954 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 5:55 pm
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Beating the crap out of a barn with chainsaw and sledgehammer.
Had the roof down last weekend, so no more clambering around up high. yay. Just hope the electrics are as dead as I think they are.
>> No. 428957 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 6:00 pm
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Might spruce up the CV, partly as a bit of escapism to make me feel better, but partly because it might be getting to that time to move on.
>> No. 428958 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 6:14 pm
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I suppose if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing twice. Some swarf had got caught in between the membranes on my Model M during my last bolt-mod, causing dodgy behaviours.

Seems all good now though. I'm not sure how tight the bolts need to be, though, but I don't want to shatter the 30-year-old plastic.
>> No. 428959 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 7:02 pm
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>>428953

So, no chance of getting the fridge through the bootlid, the boot opening only measures about 35 cm from top to bottom. But if I slide both front seats nearly all the way forward and remove one of the rear door cards, it will just about fit in the back seats, with a few centimetres of room in every dimension. I'll have to think of something to cover up the back seats though so that any sharp edges on the fridge won't hurt the leather.

Triumph of the will.
>> No. 428963 Anonymous
19th July 2019
Friday 9:58 pm
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I just got up to close my curtains and saw a hedgehog scurrying across my neighbour's drive, it was the first one I'd ever seen and I was impressed by how speedy it was. That's not a crack about Sonic, by the way, but the character does make more sense to me now I've seen one for real. I'd always assumed they'd be quite ponderous.

>>428959
You sound just like Anna Soubry.
>> No. 428964 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 7:38 am
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>>428957
I'm tempted to tweak my CV even though I have no plans to change jobs any time soon; it has been a couple of years since I updated it last and I have the feeling I'd forget points I'd want to add to it if I don't do it soon.

I'm helping my girlfriend job hunt at the minute, she doesn't know what she wants to do so I'm linking her to anything I think she'd find interesting, and some of the barriers to entry seem over the top; there's a job at a local library but you need a degree in 'Information and Library Management' for... a £15k a year job.
>> No. 428965 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 10:42 am
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Ebay has their £1 final value fee promotion again so I'll be taking photos of a bunch of old shite I want to sell.

It's incredible how much useless tat I've accumulated over the years.
>> No. 428966 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 11:34 am
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>>428964

>but you need a degree in 'Information and Library Management' for... a £15k a year job

A lot of these pseudo degrees are a joke.

I talked to a lass at a party once who was studying international information management. She tried her best to convince me that hers was going to be a sought after qualification, but I had my doubts. It still sounded to me like she was going to be a glorified desk researcher who would spend most of her time during a workday googling things for her boss and creating Power Point slides.
>> No. 428967 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 12:46 pm
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>>428966
I can sort of see why you'd need it for a senior position at a large library, although arguably you'd be better doing on the job qualifications through a professional body rather than a master's degree for it, but not for a role at a small local one where you'll be mainly restocking the shelves, sitting at the reception desk or making sure tramps aren't using the computers to go on porn. I don't know, perhaps library jobs are so in demand that even low level jobs require this qualification because there's the expectation that you won't want to stay in the role and will ultimately want to move on to being boss librarian; otherwise nobody would fork out c. £8k for a master's (can you even get student loans for them?) for a £15k job.
>> No. 428969 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 2:02 pm
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>>428967
Who says you have to fork out £8k? Just add that to the rest of your student debt you'll never repay. Rich kids have their parents stump up for the frivolities of their late teens. The rest of us have Student Finance England do it.
>> No. 428970 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 2:07 pm
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>>428967
There's a lot more to the job of a librarian than restocking shelves. Then again, they tend to be paid rather more than £15k to do it.

Tell your partner to put in the application anyway and assume they've made a typo somewhere. The worst that can happen is she doesn't get the job.
>> No. 428971 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 2:35 pm
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>>428969
Did you make it to the part immediately after it in parentheses?
>> No. 428972 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 2:49 pm
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>>428971
Nope.
>> No. 428973 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 3:11 pm
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>>428971
Not reading the post one is replying to is a proud .gs tradition, m7.
>> No. 428974 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 3:15 pm
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>>428967

It's kind of the same with facility management these days. You can do a bachelor's degree in facility management, but I'm not entirely sure you will be much more than a glorified janitor.

And I would imagine that with a degree like that, even if you are entrusted with more highbrow things like managing cost and profitability of commercial property, you are going to compete with somebody who took a few seminars on facility management at uni as part of their business degree.
>> No. 428975 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 3:30 pm
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>>428974
This business of inventing silly names for things is getting out of hand. At a previous workplace we had a "Compliance Officer" whose job included making sure everyone's security badges were in order and ensuring the disabled toilets were suitably accessible, and at another the janitorial team were referred to as "Places Operatives".
>> No. 428976 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 3:50 pm
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>>428975

My local housing association recently promoted all of their gardeners to "Green Space Operatives".
>> No. 428977 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 3:58 pm
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>>428967

If there are more Information and Library Management graduates than job openings for librarians (highly likely), then why would you bother hiring a non-graduate?

Graduate underemployment is now a massive socioeconomic problem. We hugely increased the number of graduates and just assumed that the number of graduate jobs would increase commensurately, but instead we've created a horrible negative-sum trap. The huge pool of graduates encourages employers to make a degree a requirement even if it isn't strictly necessary. With more employers requiring a degree, you need a masters to stand out from the pack. Young people are spending longer in education and spending more in the process, but they aren't gaining anything as a result. The glut of highly-educated people gives universities the ability to teach courses using mainly underpaid graduate students, with the lion's share of the increased tuition fee revenue going to senior administrative staff.

Just like the housing market, the whole system is set up as a massive wealth transfer from younger to older people.
>> No. 428978 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 4:00 pm
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>>428976

>"Green Space Operatives"

That sounds more like a CIA term for their jungle combat trained personnel.


>>428975

O2 had an advert in the paper a while ago where they were looking for a fraud manager. Whose job it was going to be to detect dodgy behaviour of customers and act upon it. Sounded a bit novel, but I guess at a major company like O2, it makes sense to have one person, or an separate department, going after you for nicking somebody's password credentials.
>> No. 428979 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 4:06 pm
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>>428974
THE WORD IS CARETAKER. Isn't there a McDonalds you could be dining in?
>> No. 428981 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 4:10 pm
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>>428977

I think it's truly been tackled from the wrong end, in that we never quite needed more university graduates. For years, decades even, the paradigm was to get more people into higher education, but nobody really ever asked if besides the intrinsic value of having a higher education degree of whatever description, we were really doing young people a favour with it. Not everybody needs a university degree. There are, or at least there used to be career paths where you could earn very decent money after vocational training or an apprenticeship. For example, as a bank clerk, all you needed in the 70s or 80s, even the 90s, was fairly decent GCSEs. You were then entered into an apprenticeship, and in the long run, that alone opened up to you a greater number of low- to mid-level jobs within that bank for which you didn't need any kind of degree at all. Nowadays, you probably need some sort of degree in finance for most bank jobs. Which of course also had to do with many job tasks in bank branches disappearing with the Digital Revolution and online banking, but that's a different story.
>> No. 428982 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 4:11 pm
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We just need to vote Corbyn who'll nationalise Eton.
>> No. 428983 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 5:29 pm
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>>428981
I think the worst thing New Labour in terms of the education system was the denigration of vocational qualifications. Compelling people to go to university when they didn't really need to was bad enough, but instilling the mindset that manual labour is dirty and beneath them is unforgivable. There seems to be a lot more sneering and derision of the working class ever since that happened.

>>428982
It's always struck me as counterintuitive by trying to achieve equality by bringing things down to the lowest common denominator rather than trying to lift standards at the bottom.

Eton is obviously an outlier but the success of public schools over state schools largely boils down to class sizes. A class of 15 will always do better than a class of 30 or 35, especially as a lot of lesson time for the latter is disrupted by troublemakers. I doubt it would be economically feasible for state schools to have such small classes, but you could do wonders by just removing the one or two unruly little shits from mainstream education.
>> No. 428984 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 5:37 pm
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>>428983
>but the success of public schools over state schools largely boils down to class sizes
Yes, obviously it's the class sizes. Clearly the connections are nothing to do with it.
>> No. 428985 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 5:50 pm
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>>428984
Obviously that's the case at the elite schools, the aforementioned outliers, but the majority of public schools don't fall into this bracket.

Would you say going to, for example, Read School in Drax (fees of up to £8,673 per term) is going to provide you with the connections to open any doors you want?
>> No. 428986 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 6:11 pm
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>>428983

>I think the worst thing New Labour in terms of the education system was the denigration of vocational qualifications.


That's Labour for you, and not just New Labour. I think the Left has always been disingenuous about its motives, and those who did rise through the ranks in Labour really didn't give a toss anymore about the humble working classes. It's all just a fig leaf. The very reason why many of them chose to go into politics was to escape their own dowdy working-class upbringing. So how is somebody like that honestly going to remember where they came from when it comes to voting on such things like benefit cuts or vocational training initiatives.

I can't say I've much liked the Tories in recent years, but at least with them, there are no illusions where they stand. They come from posh and middle class upbringings, and they will predictably favour the middle and upper classes. At least they don't give the lower classes any false hope about their chances in life.
>> No. 428987 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 6:17 pm
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@Everyone

Finland has one of the finest education systems in the world and did away with private education ages ago, now fuck off and make a /pol/ thread.
>> No. 428988 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 6:43 pm
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>>428987
The population of Finland is c. 5.5 million, around one-twelfth of the population of Britain and I doubt they had a deeply entrenched class system.

Average class sizes in Britain are over 30 pupils and growing whereas in Finland they're 18 or 19. If anything, that's suggesting if we want to replicate them the most important thing would be to almost halve the number of pupils in classrooms rather than banning public schools.
>> No. 428989 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 6:51 pm
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>>428988

>and I doubt they had a deeply entrenched class system

I think they did while they were part of the Russian Empire 1810-1917, which of course had a very distinct class system. At the time, Finland was a grand duchy, and even very briefly a kingdom after it gained independence from Russia.
>> No. 428992 Anonymous
20th July 2019
Saturday 11:27 pm
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>>428989
This is perhaps a conversation for another time but no, feudalism was deeply ingrained in Western Europe in quite a different way to Russian serfdom and Nordic egalitarianism. Finnish society is historically divided between the Finns and Fenno-Swedes that has somewhat morphed into urban divide.

There are memes for this but I don't want someone to @ me.
>> No. 428993 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 12:02 am
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>>428992

>Nordic egalitarianism

Which is truly fascinating considering that countries like Sweden have one of the most stable, admittedly constitutional monarchies in all of Europe.
>> No. 428994 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 12:05 am
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>>428987

So sad
>> No. 428996 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 3:45 am
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I went down the pub for the first time in forever, I felt like a fucking alien. How can you humans get so excited talking about fucking nothing at such a superficial level?

Seriously you'd think that I was the best fucking friend of the guy who asked me my name 5 minutes earlier. I can see the charm but I feel like I would get more long term valuable experience memorizing the text on the back of a crisp packet.
>> No. 428997 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 7:07 am
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>>428996

I don't fucking know Lad, maybe try a tabletop gaming club.
>> No. 428998 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 7:54 am
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>>428996
What kind of conversation are you expecting with someone you met for the first time five minutes earlier? Most people generally don't talk the same way to someone they've just met as someone they know well.
>> No. 428999 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 8:42 am
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>>428996
Imagine going to a drug den and complaining about the standard of conversation.
>> No. 429000 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 10:02 am
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>>428983
>...instilling the mindset that manual labour is dirty and beneath them is unforgivable. There seems to be a lot more sneering and derision of the working class ever since that happened.

This is about Seppos but seems relevant:-

One of the study’s findings: the wilder a person’s guess as to what the other party is thinking, the more likely they are to also personally disparage members of the opposite party as mean, selfish or bad. Not only do the two parties diverge on a great many issues, they also disagree on what they disagree on.

This much we might guess. But what’s startling is the further finding that higher education does not improve a person’s perceptions – and sometimes even hurts it. In their survey answers, highly-educated Republicans were no more accurate in their ideas about Democratic opinion than poorly educated Republicans. For Democrats, the education effect was even worse: the more educated a Democrat is, according to the study, the less he or she understands the Republican worldview.

“This effect,” the report says, “is so strong that Democrats without a high school diploma are three times more accurate than those with a postgraduate degree.” And the more politically engaged a person is, the greater the distortion.

What could be going on? Bubble-ism, the report suggests. Even more than their Republican counterparts, highly educated Democrats tend to live in exclusively Democratic enclaves. The more they report “almost all my friends hold the same political views”, the worse their guesses on what Republicans think.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/21/democrats-republicans-political-beliefs-national-survey-poll
>> No. 429001 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 11:14 am
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>>428983

>Compelling people to go to university when they didn't really need to was bad enough, but instilling the mindset that manual labour is dirty and beneath them is unforgivable.

By the same token, a lot of manual labour is properly shit. The nostalgia so many people on the left have for heavy industry really gets on my tits. I've seen too many people cough themselves to death from black lung, too many people hobbling about on one leg or trying to open a packet of crisps with one hand. I know so many former colliers and steelworkers who were desperate for their sons to do literally anything else, because they didn't want their boy to spend their life in a scene from Dante's Inferno. The likes of Corbyn have no right to make pronouncements about what's best for working class communities in the north, when the closest he's been to a coalface is standing next to Diane Abbott at PMQs.

>>428985

It's a sliding scale. There are big differences in connections and aspirations even between comprehensive schools. If you want to be a doctor, you're at a huge disadvantage if nobody from your school has ever become a doctor, if none of your mates have a parent who is a doctor, if no-one around you thinks that it's a realistic possibility. Little things like knowing which A-levels to take or having someone in-the-know help you with your UCAS form can be the difference between success and failure.

At a mid-tier independent school, you're probably not going to be classmates with the Prime Minister's son, but you probably are going to be classmates with the son of a senior civil servant or a professor or a chief executive. That's no different to a good grammar school or a comprehensive in a very posh catchment area, but that really points to the difficulty in actually delivering equal educational opportunities.
>> No. 429002 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 11:39 am
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>>428997

Once upon a time those were great now they are just filled with a bunch of cunts who do nothing but play the resistance and cards against humanity non stop. I think their brains would short out if they ever had to place a worker.

>>428998

Well for example you are already engaging in a line of inquiry and analysis, and expecting a level of self reflection from me and you had a single post to go on. So apparently it isnt that hard to engage a stranger in something a bit deeper.
>> No. 429004 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 11:42 am
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>>429002
Not him but I'm not sure that gs discourse is directly analogous to a pub discussion that happens in a physical place.
>> No. 429007 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 11:52 am
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>>429004

So you have a lower expectation of behaviour in a public house than a 4chan clone?
>> No. 429008 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 12:00 pm
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>>429001
A lot of manual labour is shit, but I know plenty of tradesmen who are absolutely raking it in especially as they don't declare all of their income. When we have shortages of electricians and plumbers it seems wrong to discourage people away from this route and into pointless degrees.

You're right about equal educational opportunities. The children of doctors are statistically far more likely to enter into drugs, the children of politicians are far more likely to enter into politics and so on. You've only got to look at the media to see how famous or well connected relatives opened doors for them; Jack Whitehall, Zoe Ball, Fearne Cotton, etc. Even the lad on /emo/ with the massive chip on his shoulder is likely to be able to give any children he has a massive leg up with their own careers.
>> No. 429011 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 12:07 pm
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>>429007

It's more complex than higher and lower.
>> No. 429013 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 12:09 pm
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>>429001

The parents of one of my mates worked over 40 years of rotating shifts at Dagenham. They never complained, but it really was hard work, and they said if you do that kind of work for that long, it's bound to have a serious effect on you. Many people develop cardiovascular illnesses like hypertension, on top of chronic problems like sleep disorders, because your body never really quite adapts to the changing shift schedule from one week to the next.

They made sure that both their sons were going to have an easier working life than them, so they tried their best to get them into higher education. But it wasn't easy on their factory worker wages, so both my friend and his brother had to work several jobs during uni to make ends meet.

What I am saying is, there really isn't much pride in those jobs. And most people working them would gladly leave them behind for something better. Nobody really takes pride in being from a long line of factory workers in their family. Even in those circles, it's sometimes seen more as a stigma that consecutive generations never managed to better themselves.


>if none of your mates have a parent who is a doctor, if no-one around you thinks that it's a realistic possibility. Little things like knowing which A-levels to take or having someone in-the-know help you with your UCAS form can be the difference between success and failure.

Education is passed on through socialisation. Children of university-educated parents are still many times more likely to go to university themselves than children from working class families. And that does have to do with all the little things. Your parents will most likely not be able to help you figure out what to even study at uni or how to get there and which university to aim for, so it involves a great deal more of research on your part as a workingclasslad than if your parents went to university themselves.
>> No. 429015 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 2:57 pm
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>>429011

Everything is more complex than can be measured. but you know I'm right.
>> No. 429016 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 2:57 pm
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>>429013

I think you highlight one of the real problems here.

Nobody ever puts an emphasis on what's worthwhile to study, and how your career path will be different if you study various different things. Nobody ever tells a 16 year old who's being expected to decide their entire bloody future on one boring Thursday afternoon what's a valuable choice, what's going to be more difficult but maybe more flexible, nobody tells you how it actually works. We expect teenagers who probably can't think about anything but their raging hormones to make massive life changing decisions and we don't give them nearly enough information to do so wisely.

And I'd wager that's because teachers, career advisers, all those kinds of people- None of them actually know themselves. That's why they're teachers, let's face it. They're perfectly good at telling kids they have to make the right choice and telling them how important the decisions are, but piss poor at supplying any actual useful guidance to go with that. This is why middle and upper class kids have such a vast advantage, it makes a shitload of difference if your mum and dad can say "That's probably going to be a difficult career path, son." instead of just "Oooh, he's doing an -ology, they're for dead clever people those."

I never went to uni myself because I was too much of a depressed isolated nervous teenlad to even contemplate it all. But I still feel bad for all the people who went and studied music tech or whatever site just because nobody ever told them it would be a waste of time. The leople who should have been supporting them just filled their head full of "study what you enjoy!" nonsense. And that's why they end up working in a call centre.

It's a load of shit frankly and all of it is just symptomatic of how our country is geared to entrench the class system yet further. Another lad made a good point earlier- A lot of the remaining roots of leftism here is old cunts who are just using it as another way to get more for themselves. There's a lad who's just retired at my work- Big union activist, generally has people's best interests at heart, old fashioned Labour voter. But he's spent the last five years trying his best to block a change that would essentially mean the lowest paid workers get a per hour pay rise, in real terms, all because he doesn't want to work weekends. Now that he's got his fat pension (at the kind of age my generation will never see) could he give a toss? Of course not.

I think Malthusianlad in the other thread had a good idea about culling old people, come to think of it. It's the only way anything will improve for younger generations.
>> No. 429017 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 3:29 pm
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>>429015
I'm not sure that particular Jedi mind trick tends to hold up around these parts.
>> No. 429018 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 3:29 pm
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>>429016

On the other hand, when I was at uni, I saw a lot of people from poorer backgrounds studying the classic degrees that normally set you up for a decent chance at a good career and salary, i.e. law, business, or drugs. Because they knew that they were going to have to provide for themselves and had only one shot at getting a degree that would enable them to get a job afterwards. There was going to be no money for a graduate degree to correct your mistake of getting your first degree in some shite liberal arts discipline.

By contrast, I had a few friends studying social and political sciences as well as liberal arts, and really quite a few of them were from households where their parents were teachers, government employees, doctors, company owners, or even politicians. I definitely noticed a tendency that it was quite often kids from the middle and upper crust of society who got shit degrees that gave them very limited chances of a big career and income. If they did go on to have a decent career, it was frequently because their parents knew the right people.

So my theory is that if you are a working class university student, you often have much more of an idea that you want to get a uni degree first and foremost to be financially stable in the future, because money tended to be tight in your family. I think a lot of 18-year-olds from families where money was never really a concern just don't have that kind of focus when they start university. And so you've got kids like that bumbling about with some liberal arts degree who
have never had a full-time job all the way into their late 20s. While working-class uni graduates of the same age are increasingly earning serious money as lawyers or executives.
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21st July 2019
Sunday 3:42 pm
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>>429017

Well it would work in a pub conversation so...
>> No. 429020 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 3:56 pm
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>>429016
You're being too hard on teachers here. I remember that almost every single one once I got to around 13 had words to say about being realistic in your goals.

There is no need to reach a cynical conclusion that nobody can possibly know you. People have things they enjoy doing and that enjoyment makes then uniquely qualified to do that thing. Similarly I know a fair few people who studied music and theatre production who used those skills in careers that they couldn't possibly have taken up without the proven ability to handle projects, technology and group working. You still need to put a bit of graft in to get a good job but working in a call centre is still the more likely outcome for people who don't take a risk on higher education.

Anyway, this conversation is tedious because we're not recognising the forces at work. Our society lacks an appropriate mechanism of downward mobility which is steadily becoming more acute as slower economic growth is not creating more space at the top. Being born into a wealthy family matters much more than cognitive ability in life outcomes, particularly on the negative end, and I'm sure you can all think of why.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/447575/Downward_mobility_opportunity_hoarding_and_the_glass_floor.pdf

You'll notice that I'm talking of cognitive ability here. The simple fact is that ability and higher education help but you're still fighting an uphill battle in a zero-sum game for jobs and that is a problem that goes beyond pessimistically criticising kids going to school. Policy solutions could be tried in giving everyone around age 25 a lump sum of money to take risks but any state mechanism is competing with sizeable family war-chests (that grow every generation).
>> No. 429023 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 7:01 pm
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>>429018

I think you're missing the point a little bit.

Those middle class families who encourage studying social and political sciences see its value in places like government, the arts, think tanks, working in politics or journalism.

In working class families they don't really see the route to that as clear, so if it doens't have a direct application seem to see it as a waste of time.

Your last sentence is nonsense too, are working class kids really earning serious money as lawyers or executives? At top law firms over half of their intakes are routinely non-law grads who studied things like history/philosophy etc.

I hate this myth that if you don't study something directly preparing you for a direct job then your degree is basically pointless. Yes I studied history (although at a proper uni mind) and I have a great job now - but one of the things that keeps me going is I have a very rounded skillset, which means that I can segue into new careers slightly easier. If I'd studied engineering and only ever worked in that I'd be stuck pretty much doing that for the most part.
>> No. 429024 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 7:11 pm
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>>429018
I think you're right. Most people I know who studied Mickey Mouse degrees are those from perhaps not full on middle class but well off enough that they've been somewhat wrapped in cotton wool and sheltered from the real world where they've never had to worry about money.

Apart from the odd drifter who opted for something like film studies, most people I know from low socioeconomic backgrounds went for degrees that would lead to a tangible career.
>> No. 429025 Anonymous
21st July 2019
Sunday 7:15 pm
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>>429024

The point is that your degree subject doesn't really matter if a) it was from the right university and b) you've got connections. Posh kids have the luxury of falling arse-backwards into a good job, but poor kids need to do everything right to stand half a chance.
>> No. 429026 Anonymous
22nd July 2019
Monday 12:10 am
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>>429025

>Posh kids have the luxury of falling arse-backwards into a good job, but poor kids need to do everything right to stand half a chance.


A liberal arts degree is always a gamble, because you are simply not going to be first in line from the perspective of many employers when they are looking for suitable candidates to fill a position.

With a Mickey Mouse degree, if you end up doing a noteworthy job at all, it tends to be jobs that depend less on formalised knowledge and more on soft skills or people skills. If your degree is in English literature, then you are likely not going to go work as an R&D engineer, because it just requires engineering and mathematical knowledge that you were never taught. And the legal or medical profession is naturally out of reach for you as well.

And while computer programming is often the last hope for many liberal arts graduates, just talk to somebody with a degree in computer science one of these days, and ask them what they think about that. One reason why a lot of computer code for many different applications is complete and utter shite is that you have somebody coding it who may be able to write a few hundred lines of code, for half the pay of a trained computer engineer, but who has no in-depth grasp of what he's doing. Some of them take programming classes after their degree when they realise that it's going to be that or become dolescum, but it's never going to teach you an in-depth understanding. Not all coding work gets farmed out to Bangalore, there are a lot of people at companies in Britain who spend every day writing computer code for anything from smartphone apps to smart refrigerators.

Also, a lot of liberal arts graduates work in advertising and marketing. And while it's true that marketing is a good 80 percent about people skills, which they may or may not posess, my honest opinion is that it's best left to people who studied marketing at uni. I worked in advertising after my economics degree for a while, and while a lot of them showed good ambition, what was missing was structured knowledge about how to advertise or market a product. For the most part, liberal arts graduates in advertising just blag it. Which doesn't mean they can't be successful, but if like me marketing happens to be one of your areas of expertise, it's easy to spot a blagger. And then when you quiz them about the finer points of distribution channel depth and length and USP, you'll see that you can throw a lot of them thoroughly off their game.
>> No. 429033 Anonymous
22nd July 2019
Monday 11:08 am
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>>429026
Someone once tried to hire me for a programming job based solely on the fact I know how to use google to look things up.
>> No. 429034 Anonymous
22nd July 2019
Monday 11:17 am
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>>429033

To be fair, that is about 80% of what most programmers do.
>> No. 429184 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 4:41 pm
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>>428964
>I'm helping my girlfriend job hunt at the minute

She's been told she's the reserve for a job with The National Archives, i.e. if the person offered it declines she'll get it and she may also be offered similar roles if they come up without being re-interviewed.

How slim are her chances? I'm not sure how many people turn down jobs, especially for an entry level position where it won't be used as a bartering chip for a pay rise with a current employer, unless they get a better offer.
>> No. 429193 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 8:49 pm
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Haha WHISKY
>> No. 429203 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 9:43 am
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You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
>> No. 429204 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 10:10 am
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>>429203
Looks blissful ladm8.
>> No. 429207 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 11:46 am
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>>429034

You are confusing programmers with coders.
>> No. 429208 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 11:53 am
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>>429207

You seem to be arguing a distinction that doesnt exist.
>> No. 429231 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 8:02 pm
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>>429208

I would put programmers more towards the software engineer end of the spectrum, whereas a coder is someone who at their worst will just slap together code snippets from all over the Internet. And then complain that the code he copied and pasted won't compile, in violation of the golden rule of programming, to only use/borrow someone else's code if you understand it. It's better to have a limited grasp of a programming language but be able to produce robust results, than to include some fancy library without a hint of a clue what it really does under the hood.

Self sage for pointless rambling.
>> No. 429233 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 8:36 pm
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Got My AEK II working over USB. Apart from one time when I flashed the wrong firmware and then accidentally shorted Vcc and GND when trying to reflash, surprisingly painless.

It's not quite as nice as my Model M, but that goes without saying.
I've hacked up and spliced an S-video and USB cable so it plugs in natively rather than an ugly cable running out of the side. I just have to make sure I only ever plug it into the left one (as opposed to the right, which is still wired up for ADB), lest I let the magic smoke out.

Compared to the Model M, it's so much quieter and bassier. That is what I want - going to take this into work; if I took the M I think I'd be lynched within an hour.
>> No. 429236 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 10:48 pm
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It just occurred to me that the lad who played Kevin Arnold's brother on The Wonder Years was also in Back To The Future.
>> No. 429237 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 10:58 am
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I certainly drank a bit too much last night.
I feel strangely alive right now, not taking into account the slight manifestation of hangover. Probably because the brain lacks free resources to indulge into the usual trash-talk.
It's almost blissful, the absence of the internal monologue.
>> No. 429239 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 12:58 pm
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Eating cactus jam which I made myself from hand picked prickly pears on my holiday to Large Canary Island last year in October. Fucking delish.

Prickly pears have a very tasty flavour of watermelon and strawberry when they are sun ripened on the cactus, unlike the imported ones we get for £1.00 a piece at Waitrose's. They are non-climacteric fruit, meaning they stop ripening after they are picked, unlike bananas or peaches. So when you get them half ripe in supermarkets in the UK from about late August, that's as good as they will ever get. They are also very delicate when they are fully ripe, and they will deteriorate very quickly within two or three days of picking them. Their skin is very sensitive to pressure and they become unsightly and start dripping liquid if you just throw them into a bag together, and putting them in the fridge almost seems to accelerate the overall degradation process. Which is another reason why you won't get them fully ripe here. I actually bought one or two of them here in the UK for comparison last year, and the taste was very disappointing.

But I picked my prickly pears fully ripe and did them into jam the same day. And as a result, I was able to make seven or eight little 3 oz. weck jars of the stuff which I have been giving to friends and who have all said it's some of the best jam they've ever had.
>> No. 429240 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 2:46 pm
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>>429239
Lovely, sounds like you jammed the cactus right up there.
>> No. 429241 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 3:07 pm
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>>429237

Get fired into meditation m8. 20 minutes a day will turn down the volume on your internal monologue.


>> No. 429242 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 3:15 pm
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>>429241
It surely looks like drinking each day is simpler than that innit?
>> No. 429243 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 6:09 pm
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>>429239
Couldn't you start an import business for cactus jam? This time next year you could be running your own plantation from the Canary Islands with us two as your brainwashed slaves.
>> No. 429244 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 6:25 pm
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>>429241
How do I turn up the volume of my internal monologue?
>> No. 429246 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 6:27 pm
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>>429244
Drugs, angst, stress, etc.
>> No. 429248 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 8:33 pm
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>>429243

Honestly I would love nothing better than working in the Canaries. I've found my little paradise there, and being a cactus farmer really doesn't sound like a bad career change. It beats being an office slave in Norf London any day.

As long as I don't end up as a club street promoter. They're the bottom of the pile, a lot of them are stranded middle-aged Northern/Western European alcoholic bums who live hand to mouth on the island on a few quid a day and are too skint to even move back home. A lot of them came to the Canaries with big dreams, but end up failing horribly.

I think that's the misconception about working in paradise. People come there in droves every year with just the same ideas and dreams as you. But in a lot of jobs, competition is ten times fiercer than in Britain, work hours are arduous, and economic opportunity is limited.

One expat that I talked to there who left Leeds for Large Canaria and who actually now has a thriving estate agent business told me that if you don't plan your new life there meticulously ahead of time, the islands will chew you up and spit you back out before you know what's happening. But he also told me that even the most gruelling workdays are all made worthwhile by the fact that you can sit back at night and have a cold beer under palm trees, gazing out onto the Atlantic.
>> No. 429249 Anonymous
28th July 2019
Sunday 10:53 pm
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For the first time in my life I used all of my seven tiles in one turn on Scrabble. Shame I don't like the game, though.
>> No. 429251 Anonymous
29th July 2019
Monday 6:21 am
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>>429248

I found the same thing with the whole ESL teacher thing. Sure, a few make the most of it and really go all out, but a lot of them seem rather stagnant.
>> No. 429252 Anonymous
29th July 2019
Monday 7:14 am
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>>429251
You can say that about most career paths. There are those who achieve because they conceive and can believe whilst others plan for failure by failing to plan.
>> No. 429259 Anonymous
29th July 2019
Monday 1:58 pm
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>>429252

Except you have much more to lose if you just decide to up sticks and move to an island archipelago nearly 2,000 miles from home, just because you think life there will be like an endless package holiday. And upon returning to Britain after you've failed, you will have to rebuild your life almost from scratch, and on top of that, most of your savings will be gone from your failed career venture abroad. Which will be one big reason why you had to return in the first place.

As estate agent lad from Leeds told me, the difference between holidaying in paradise and working there is having to stand in the mid-day sun in 30-degree heat in a dark suit for three hours, and often not getting a day on the beach in weeks.

It still seems more appealing than some of the shit office jobs I have had here in Britain.

With Brexit though, nobody knows for sure what is going to happen. British expats make up a large chunk of holiday home buyers in almost all of Spain, and the Canaries are no exception. Apparently, a lot of British estate agents there are now brushing up their Italian, French or German language skills, because those nationalities have started becoming the main clientele of foreign buyers, in all the Brexit uncertainty.
>> No. 429293 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 6:02 am
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>>429252

I didn't mean ESL as a career path though. The ESL thing is unique because you can take a drastic cut in your working hours with no real difference in life quality. You then have a lot more time than you'd have otherwise. Most ESL teachers seem to have ambitions around film, art, music, writing, programming, and what not- and this lifestyle offers time for that. Conventional career paths here don't have that- you work hard for a promotion, or you work the same hours but it easy and get by.

ESL teaching kind of bumps you up a class level and offers you a different socioeconomic situation. It's a bit like saying you can do full-time in Sainsbury's for £1,300 a month, or ten hours a week in Tesco's for the same amount a month. A lot people would go for Tesco's with the aim to 'really use that time', but I'm not sure many would really make the most of that. It's a bloody hard thing to do anyway.

I mean of course, people can become stagnant in any position and in any field, but I think it's exaggerated with easy work abroad roles.
>> No. 429360 Anonymous
4th August 2019
Sunday 3:54 pm
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Bought some peaches again last night, for 60p a pound. Fully ripe and everything, fucking delish. Must be a really good year for peaches, the staff in the produce section said so as well.
>> No. 429447 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:08 pm
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Bit windy out lads.
>> No. 429450 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:21 pm
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Aye. This weekend I will be mostly picking up apples and branches.
>> No. 429451 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:22 pm
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>>429447
I enjoy it. Sounds nice.
>> No. 429452 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:34 pm
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>>429450
I've lost a big branch from a tree in my garden too. This weekend I will mostly be purchasing a small chainsaw.
>> No. 429454 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:35 pm
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Visited my nan in the care home. The wheel is turning but the hamster is pissed.
>> No. 429455 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:36 pm
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>>429450

Not to be that cunt again but what is the law regarding this? A whole tree came down in my local park and it was a shame to see that wood going to waste. Keep it in the ecosystem, sure, but man is a part of the system. At least give a portion to woodworking charities, you know?
>> No. 429457 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:43 pm
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>>429455

The law is help yourself to it if nobody stops you and if they do you say oh whoops sorry and leave.
>> No. 429458 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:44 pm
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>>429452 Can't recommend Parker stuff highly enough.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/58cc-20-Petrol-Chainsaw-2-x-Chains-More/301375992350
Also available from Amazon.
I've got a 'proper' Stihl & Bosch electric, but the parker just keeps on rocking, even though I abuse it horribly and it's got a lot of hours on it now.
I love a good day's chainsawing. Roll on, winter, got quite a few trees earmarked for the chopper...
>> No. 429460 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:46 pm
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>>429457 This is also my understanding.
At least pay lip service to safety - keep kids & pets away, don't dig tyre ruts into wet ground, but otherwise, finders keepers.
Bad form to leave all the green stuff and just take the wood, mind.
>> No. 429461 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 1:47 pm
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>>429455
In public places, windfall is fair game. On private late, it belongs to the landowner.
>> No. 429471 Anonymous
10th August 2019
Saturday 6:27 pm
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I've been thinking about it. Mary Poppins would definitely, definitely get it. She's a bit of a minx.
>> No. 429474 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 10:36 am
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>>429471
>Perfect in every way
Uh huh, okay Mary, coming on a bit strong there.
>> No. 429478 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 1:27 pm
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I've been here seven-and-a-half years and it only just occured to me zooming the page out a bit might make the UI a bit less obnoxious.
>> No. 429484 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 6:52 pm
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My next holiday in the Canaries probably won't happen until late September.

Which is fine, because that's the start of prickly pear season and I will get to make cactus jam again.
>> No. 429485 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 7:04 pm
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>>429484
Scunthorpe : 'Overwhelmed' firefighters battle huge blaze on holiday island

About 1,000 people have been forced to flee a huge mountain fire on the holiday island of Scunthorpe .

Troops have been drafted in to help 200 firefighters battle the blaze, which currently spans nearly 2,500 acres, about 20 miles from the capital Las Palmas. It has completely wiped out the island's crop of prickly pears, meaning there will be no cactus jam in supply for when that lad who always talks about his holidays to the Canary Islands has his next jaunt to Scunthorpe , so he'll have to focus on which hire car to choose or something else instead.


https://news.sky.com/story/gran-canaria-hundreds-evacuated-as-mountain-fire-rages-on-holiday-island-11782744
>> No. 429486 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 7:38 pm
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>>429485

Yorkies, eh?
>> No. 429487 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 9:30 pm
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>>429485

At least he shut up about his potatoes in red sauce for a bit. Cactus jam made a nice change, although a nice 2000 word post about which car he'll hire this time in order to reach those prickly pears on the highest outcrops and were untouched by the fires is definitely something I'll be awaiting with baited breath.
>> No. 429488 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 9:58 pm
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I think I might have gout. My right big toe joint hurts excessively and even brushing it up against my bedsheets is unpleasant. There's no real swelling but it is very hot.

The issue I have, as I always do with things like this, is that I have a relatively high pain threshold so whenever I share with friends and family, or even a doctor, that I think I have certain ailments all I'll get is "oh if you had that you'd be screaming in agony, you can't have that because you seem fine", but usually I do have the thing, and I'm just not reacting to it quite as severely as expected. I worked an entire week with appendicitis and thought I just had constipation, so I think it's entirely possible I'm having a gout attack, just quietly. I am definitely concerned that if I go to the doctors they'll shrug it off because I'm not screaming the clinic down - do they do any tests for gout, or do they just prod at your foot and decide that way? As I say, there's no real visible swelling or redness.
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